Modern Monks Nathaniel and Kelly

Megan (00:01.493)
I'm Megan Hamilton and this is the Embracing Enchantment Podcast. I am so excited for today's episode. I came to learn about today's guests because one of them is a coach in a business program I've been taking for several months. I'm always excited when I meet other kindred spirits in our quests for personal and spiritual growth. And when I found out that he and his wife worked together, I was so excited.

She channels guides Freya and Hackati and he helps out when she's in trance. Please welcome my beautiful guests, Nathaniel Epting. Epting. Sorry, Nathaniel. God, why can't I get your name right? It's so weird. Please welcome my beautiful guests, Nathaniel Epting and Kelly Hinkle Epting. Hello, you both.

Kelly & Nathaniel (00:52.686)
Hello, hello. It's wonderful to be here today. Yeah, thank you for having us on.

Megan (00:56.201)
I'm so happy to have you here and I really appreciate because the last time we tried to meet, we had a hurricane. We had a tornado and you know we've had tornado warnings before. I mean it's not it's very much not common where I live, which is in Kingston between Ottawa and Toronto and Canada, but

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:06.21)
Yeah. Remember that? That was crazy.

Megan (01:23.223)
This actually touched down not too far from us. So when we did make the choice to go in the basement, we made the right choice, obviously. But that was very I was actually doing a Reiki session with somebody and my phone kept going. And then my daughter, who's home for the summer, opened the door and she's like, Should we? And I was like, I think we should.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:36.694)
Mm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:44.846)
I can't.

Megan (01:46.273)
So I finished up the Reiki session later. But anyways, thank you both for being so gracious with rescheduling.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:53.852)
absolutely. I mean things like that you just you gotta go with the floor of it. Nature wins. Nature wins and you know it sometimes maybe you just better it right now, energetically, you know?

Megan (01:57.248)
Yeah.

Megan (02:03.307)
Mm-hmm. I I do kind of believe that. Like I oops, I do believe that that that often there's a reason why, you know, that would have been a Mercury retrograde as well. And I think we're out of the shadow. Or we're still anyways, we're right on the edge of it. so I am so curious. I have so many questions and I know I'm gonna have to limit myself, but as you know, at the beginning of every episode I pull a tarot card to help us orient into a theme.

And I'm wondering, while I'm shuffling, could you both tell us how you met and how you came to do this very cool work?

Kelly & Nathaniel (02:44.686)
I mean it's a s it's a story. It's a story. We'll give you the truncated version, but pretty much we both went to college at UC Irvine. We're two years apart. So when we were in college

Megan (02:46.733)
Okay, good. Love it.

Megan (02:53.209)
Okay. I just submitted a TED t TedX application there.

Kelly & Nathaniel (02:57.87)
Did you really? Cool. It's a great school. go Ant Eater. Yeah. You'd be honorary Ant Eater movie. Yep. we we were there for the We were both in the drama department. Which is a small little campus kind of across the humanities bridge and stuff like that. we obviously knew each other. Yeah. But we didn't we weren't friends. We didn't really know each other. He was two years younger and I was very involved with my class and he was not part of my class.

Megan (03:00.153)
It's so wild. Weird. Okay. Okay.

Megan (03:10.585)
Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (03:24.898)
So I mean it was a great community. So we like crossed circles a lot. It wasn't until my junior year that I actually I went to go work on a show as a musical director and accompanist that our now like mutual best friend and soul sister was also working on. That's where she and I had met. We got on like that. It was like kindred spirits immediately. And she came back as we were living together. And she told me, I made a new friend and you need to be friends with him.

And I was like, I'm I'm good. I'm good. I have enough friends.

Megan (04:00.717)
have enough friends.

Kelly & Nathaniel (04:04.063)
She goes, I'm really sorry, but I have a really strong intuition about him and I'm pulling rank because of it. She's like, You're gonna be friends. And I was like, Okay, I mean, if you have a strong hit, why not? All right. So I hired him for a music production I was working because I figured that's how you make friends with someone you hire them. So I gave him a job. So he gave him a game little like gig. So we worked on the gig together. Like this really cool theater, had some like crazy spiritual experiences.

Megan (04:26.081)
That's good way.

Kelly & Nathaniel (04:32.567)
Came to learn that like I had been doing like side hate development, mediumship development, like classes and stuff like that on my own around that point. Not at university, no, at like local like groups and stuff like that, churches, things like that nearby. Caitlin, who is our mutual best friend, she and I were known for giving tarot readings to everyone in college.

Megan (04:40.013)
Like at s at your university or just like s okay. It's like go there. Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (04:54.453)
So people come to our dorm to get tarot readings all the time. We had Thursday night Ouija board sessions. Like it was, we were the spooky girls. As things go, of course, you get to know this about each other, which opens a whole new can of worms, which started the whole spiritual journey, but like that came after like the friends and like the musical, but like pretty early on. Yeah. And then like from there on out, it just became the trio. The three of us just instantly clicked and we're really, really close friends. And we're still really, really close friends. Didn't yeah, we still really are. We actually didn't start dating right away.

Megan (05:00.845)
I love it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (05:24.493)
It was much, much later. We were friends for a good handful of years. Yeah. And got to really know each other as close friends. It was fast friends in the way that like our souls knew each other kind of a way. and then like much later down the line we dated, we got married in twenty nineteen. Caitlin actually was our officiant. And then a few later, I got to return the favor for her and officiate her wedding. and Yeah, so that whole

Megan (05:41.695)
that's so cool.

Megan (05:47.445)
Kelly & Nathaniel (05:50.102)
Been a beautiful day. The process has been friendship, love, and spirituality all kind of intertwined. We always joke a little. We we our first dance was to tail as old as time for beauty and the beast. But we definitely were the there's something there that wasn't there before. We were really good friends and at some point something changed. We grew into slightly different people as we got older and those people were more romantically compatible than we were when we were right out of college. And we're like huge believers that like spiritual development, personal development are super intertwined.

You can't do one without the other. And I think on our quest of like bettering ourselves across the board, we somehow grew into more compatible people. not that we weren't compatible, but like even more romantically compatible. Yeah, exactly. And now we're going on seven years in October. Yeah.

Megan (06:35.945)
Ugh, what a lovely story. I love that. And I love having the opportunity to be friends first, you know, especially because if you were if you met in university, you're still so young. Like you kind of have to, you know, get to know yourselves, get to know yourselves like individually. so you have that opportunity before the romantic stuff came along. I love it.

Kelly & Nathaniel (06:49.675)
No

Kelly & Nathaniel (07:01.069)
Exactly.

Megan (07:02.113)
And now, you know, you work together and you're married to each other and you travel a fair amount, I think, don't you? Yeah.

Kelly & Nathaniel (07:09.643)
Yeah. Yeah, we we have been around the world. We actually just made up to Canada and the along the Pacific Northwest for the first time and that was beautiful and wonderful. Yeah, about last year, maybe a little over a little over a year and ago now officially. we put all our stuff in storage and decided to travel full time for a while. So we got to go three months in Tahiti and the islands there, which is beautiful, wonderful. Swing by Australia for a few weeks, go to New Zealand for a few months.

Yeah, been traveling a little domestically now. We are currently looking at getting over to Europe again. We honeymooned in Italy, which is our first time in Europe and was wonderful. And had our five years in Scotland. Yeah, we and had our five years in Scotland. that was our return back to Europe. China, Mexico, like we're just trying to get all over the place. We like we like to see the world. You know, you learn so much from different people, different cultures, different spiritual beliefs. If you are open to receiving what there is.

You'll be changed. And we I think we really appreciate the way that you're changed from traveling and from learning about different people and belief systems. Yeah.

Megan (08:17.283)
Hmm. Yeah, that is that I love that. okay, so I'm gonna pull a card just to get us just to give like a

some guidance, some message, some framework. and we'll see what we'll see what the cards have to say. So I'm K Kelly, I know that you read tarot too, so maybe you'll have a Kelly opinion about it as well. yeah. Or or in a minute. Whatever works. Okay, here we go. What do we need to know today?

Kelly & Nathaniel (08:42.717)
Been a minute, I will say.

Megan (08:58.349)
Ten of Wands. So completions, finishing. what do you need to put down? How do you facilitate the endings of something, right? Because sometimes we're waiting for the messages or the the the finite reason why we stop something, but sometimes we actually have to be the instigators of that and we forget that we co create with.

Kelly & Nathaniel (08:58.753)
No.

Megan (09:26.125)
whatever systems we like to work with. And so the load gets heavy. And I always feel like this card comes up to remind you you are strong enough to take it all on. And you also have to take care of yourself and put it down when it's time to be putting it down. So sometimes that might mean

Megan (09:52.206)
Where are you carrying more than your load? And what does that mean? So that could be a shadow question for you. If you're carrying other people's loads, what happens if you put it down? Does that empower them to then pick it up? Does it give you relief? Does it change things? How does that work for you? but also remembering that.

We're at the end of an energetic cycle. And what do we want the next cycle to look like? And how can we create a ritual around transitioning into that? Okay, I think that's do either of you have anything to add to that, like in your current currently? Do you go for it? Yes.

Kelly & Nathaniel (10:39.422)
I do actually. You can't pick up something new before you close the last chapter. If you want to pick up something new, you have to put down what you're carrying.

Megan (10:44.985)
Mm, yes.

Megan (10:50.785)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Love it. And we have to make that choice, right? It doesn't happen for us necessarily. Sometimes it does. Sometimes sometimes it does. okay, so.

Kelly & Nathaniel (10:56.362)
Mm-hmm. Sometimes it does.

Megan (11:06.361)
Kelly, can you tell us a little bit about how you came into working with Freya and Hacketee and how you came into channeling?

Kelly & Nathaniel (11:14.74)
Yeah. So the whole thing is a little bit wild, honestly. So I have to say, for me, part of my story always starts with the fact that I was raised in a family that was very supportive of this kind of work. So I was the kid who saw ghosts, I was the kid who was always saying strange things. I did a lot of things based on strong instincts, and my parents were extremely supportive of this. If I came in and said,

I can't go to school today, I have a hunch. They'd be Great, you're not going to school today. Like it wasn't even questioned. Because of the kid I am, I never took advantage of that. It just knew you knew I would never take advantage of that. Because it was sacred. If you had, if you knew something that was real and you didn't you didn't fake that, that was worth noticing. So I grew up in a family that was highly supportive of this kind of work. And so I never had some of the resistances that I think are socialized into people.

Megan (11:50.391)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelly & Nathaniel (12:11.88)
I always felt very safe with spirit. I always had spirit friends. I was always talking to my my dead friends, my ghosties. So it just was never a fearful thing for me. And I think that really laid the groundwork for this practice because I didn't have to fight my own brightness hard.

From there, channeling has always been instinctual for me. Most of the time I'm actually fighting it. Yeah, so before she officially started like channeling the way you'll hear today, it goes back to like when we were all were working on that show back when we met in college, you know. Back in the theater. We we started playing around with things and one of the things that came through was this idea of a Ouija board. Now I know that can be really controversial topics.

Because it's a portal to whatever. And like we are very much of the mindset that if you come with the right intention, you maybe do some shielding, some grounding, whatever, it's just a tool of connection like anything else. It could be a pendulum, it could be cards, it could be whatever, it could be your own mind even, you know? So taking that into account and coming with the right intention, whatnot, we started using that a little bit to get some really beautiful like lessons.

Megan (13:01.806)
Mm-hmm.

Megan (13:12.289)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Megan (13:17.113)
Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (13:29.706)
that came through and were taught to us by spirit and whatnot. We had some spirits really trying to get our attention. We were talking lights going on off, radios going on and off. Like it was nonstop. Like please notice us. And like the first time that like well before we did it actually we got out of like a late night rehearsal at that theater space when they hired me on and we went into Caitlin's car, turned on and she turned on the car and what happened to come on was the radio. But it was so late at night it ended up being not your typical like you know rock station, whatever. It was some sort of like religious like late night talk show host.

Megan (13:37.827)
Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (13:59.615)
And I kid you not, the first things that came through the rodeo was like, we are here at the door. You just have to like let us in, kind of a thing. And all three of us just sat there and we were, okay. Well, I guess we're bringing the. So we're bringing the Ouija more to mine. It wasn't even a question. Which to be fair was not like the typical just like spell out everything one at a time. Like it was very intuitive and a very different process. And again, I think as we were all already practicing, we had a experience.

Megan (14:08.941)
Ha ha.

Kelly & Nathaniel (14:29.56)
Ground things and shield. Yeah. So fast forward, that created a theory of, well, why can't they just move our hand? Why do we need a planchette in the board? Why do you have to move a piece of plastic? I seem more movable than plastic. There's nothing inherently special about this it's a kid's toy for Christ's sakes, you know? Like why not move me? So that put us into a phase of where she took it to it very naturally at that point.

Megan (14:45.506)
Mm-hmm.

Megan (14:50.039)
Right.

Kelly & Nathaniel (14:58.12)
I mean automatic writing, right? That's move my hand. So we had a whiteboard. So I grabbed a pen and I said, write something. So then all of a sudden my hand is moving and I'm I'm writing. And I'm like, well that was that was easy. So so essentially for a few years, honestly, I experimented a lot with linking. And so my guide, yeah, we called it linking. We made it up. My guide essentially gave me a symbol for yes and a symbol for no.

Megan (15:00.834)
Mm? Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (15:25.896)
And I would just ask guess or no questions. And I knew my guide. I had known my guide for a long time. So it was a really friendly, wonderful space to have that, I guess, experience. But I knew right away that my even though my personal guide I love, if I have a nightmare, that's the first person I'm reaching for. Nate, my guide. you know, it's a great relationship, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're the most compatible work partners. And

Megan (15:53.943)
Hmm, right. Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (15:56.406)
So although we did this work, it never really took in the way of full channeling. We had tried, she fast forward many years of like classes in development and and these like spontaneous, like shit energetic shakes that she would get, almost like having to resist something wanting to talk through her and come through her. Or incompatible energy, maybe incompatible energies. We don't quite know what No what was happening. It was almost like my body would get stuck in the middle of something. I was on a process of pursuing like mediumship.

Astral projection, which took me into a huge avenue of like meditation and deeply learning that. and that was more like traditional practices in Buddhism and whatnot. she ended up getting roped into that, and that really benefited her. It did. Meditation was great. That style practice, which has been tremendous and wonderful, is a whole nother conversation. ended up, we looked at like the lines where they all intersected, and it ended up benefiting the channeling.

And her ability to like let go of her ego and herself and to get out of the way more. And that's when we were like, well, it's actually the full moon. We didn't actually even look for a guide. These were happening simultaneously. It was just that full moon Halloween during COVID. And I don't know if you remember, but it was that night, there was an extra night because it was daylight savings. Halloween was like on a Saturday night, one night. Like it was the full moon.

Megan (16:59.233)
Mm.

Megan (17:21.391)
yes Yep, right. Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (17:25.385)
Yeah. And so we were like, well, let's let's call in some spirits that might be able to help jumpstart our practice. Ones that were known with magic abilities benefiting people. and we didn't limit ourselves. We just kind of put out a massive like help request. Yeah, help wanted ad to see what synchronicities, what moments of validation responded.

Megan (17:55.865)
Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (17:56.804)
Yeah, kind of what happened. And so we did some meditations, saw who we connected with, and we ended up making a spirit circle with different places for the spirits that we felt had connected back to our help wanted ad. And at that point, that's where Hecate and Freya answered that request. and it was very clear up front that this was like strong, like master guide energy. Like we obviously

found them and understood them through their kind of like historical lore and their different like religions and practices. And they still take the moniker of master guide. They still take the moniker of like it's what they chose. We are not to be worshipped. We are not to be confused with those deities. even if there is something part of them, they are not the entirety of them. They talk a lot about how consciousness isn't linear in that way, that there may be like a stream of that energy system.

Megan (18:49.283)
Okay.

Kelly & Nathaniel (18:54.131)
So, not to be confused with anyone else's religion or practices or anything like that. These are just their names and associations that we refer to them as because of how we understood them. and I honestly at that point in of their development, I don't think they particularly care what you call them. They're here to like serve a purpose of helping us all like evolve and learn and grow and better ourselves. And that is their mission statement.

And it aligns with our mission statement of helping bring that to people. So they were willing to kind of help us out to help other people, you know? Yeah.

Megan (19:29.129)
Okay, that's so interesting. So we're not thinking then that we're speaking to deities. They are who who is channeling through you are a an aspect of the total canon of whatever we humans have dis decided that these two different beings are.

Kelly & Nathaniel (19:55.562)
They've done a few little talks on it. And what I've personally come to understand is that we are complicated higher selves, divine selves, they call us sometimes. And the deity would be that divine self. And the aspects that are called upon actualized can be the like larger portions or smaller portions. It can be certain aspects.

Just in the same way that they've said we can incarnate as a bird or a human or a tree, and different parts of our consciousness will fully flood that, but not the entirety of our higher self. So they are in some ways, but are absolutely not in others. And the way that they've said that they are working through us is specifically as master guides to uplift people and help them find a more

whole sense of being immortal Yeah, uplifted there they they enlightened, uplifted, awakened. I mean, use your moniker of choice, but like essentially to better yourself and to have that care to develop yourselves and your abilities for the betterment of like the world, you know. Yeah, all mankind. So yeah.

Megan (21:03.939)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Megan (21:16.267)
Okay. Okay. Yeah. There's never clear answers and that's okay. I think like part of it is just and and when I say clear answers, I just mean, you know, if you're only the way I see things is as humans, we have access to what w we are able to have access to. and you know, like developing certainly developing gifts, but we are humans having a human experience. And so

Kelly & Nathaniel (21:21.856)
Ha ha.

Megan (21:46.194)
if we're connecting with other energies and other beings, then we are gonna have our human understanding of these beings and energies. And so like it's okay that it's not it doesn't perfectly c you know, show itself in our brains because it's not meant to. Is that does that align with what you both think? Yeah.

Kelly & Nathaniel (22:06.079)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and I think keeping that open mind and being like, Great, maybe maybe this isn't we don't know the answer. Maybe it's not in this box or this box, maybe it goes in the healthy I don't know box. You know Or some in both buckets. Or maybe some in this bucket. I don't know.

Megan (22:21.465)
Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (22:33.65)
Yeah, I can do my best to understand it, but I'm trying to understand beings that are much more awakened than I am. And have a totally they have a totally different perspective being kind of on the other side, that being a disincarnate being where we are incarnate beings, you know? And they it's it's really fun to pull out those threads and get little pieces of the puzzle as we go. And it's like a new area that we're still occasionally pulling at and like looking at where where it's beneficial.

but I think like you said it really well earlier, Megan, and I think a really simple analogy would to think with them is like if the the supreme being, the highest self of the divinity of Hecate or Freya was a particular color, let's say red, the master guide manifestation that are coming through and connecting with us for this kind of work might be a particular shade of red, but might not be the full spectrum of red, you know?

Megan (23:28.726)
Mm.

Mm-hmm. Yep.

Kelly & Nathaniel (23:32.86)
It's still red. It's just maybe not the full package of red. So there's probably flaws in that theory to be honest, and they'll probably have issues with that. But that they're not afraid to correct us. Yeah, that's what happens often. My pretty easy takeaway understanding of it.

Megan (23:50.433)
Okay. Yeah. I I love that. And I and I also think the part of

Megan (23:58.894)
I think there's something beneficial to knowing that you don't know everything and that you can't know everything and that we're not meant to know everything. Yeah. Okay.

Kelly & Nathaniel (24:09.503)
Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise we wouldn't have the benefit of being incarnate beings. We'd be on their side. And being incarnate being incarnate is a is a beautiful journey and a prize and something that they speak very highly of. So anything that will take away from that is not usually something they want to go into. You know, they like to support the lives that we have and how to build them up.

Megan (24:14.329)
We'd be different. Yeah, okay.

Megan (24:34.691)
Yeah, and that's kind of universal across the board. Certainly for me with I've I've talked to lots of different mediums and channelers through the years, that seems to be kind of a universal understanding, which is there's a there's a reason why we're here as humans. And that experience is like beautiful and wonderful in and of itself. Like end of story getting to be a human is

Is a special thing, right? Yes. Okay. let me see if I have any more questions for the two of you before we see if anybody wants to come. So Nathaniel, do you also channel?

Kelly & Nathaniel (25:06.258)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (25:19.714)
I have played around with it, usually to test a particular like meditative altered state that we have learned to altered state. We like to we like to try to break things down and craft and theories about like what components and conditions allow things to happen. So in that regard, I have practiced it. I have with a lot of mad scientists at our house. so yes, I have. It's not something I've I've

Megan (25:45.593)
It sounds fun.

Kelly & Nathaniel (25:48.543)
really sat down to seriously develop. And I think even at my best, I don't think I would come close to her natural ability with it. So it's it's a fun potential, you know, ability I like to think of it as, and one that is actually very fun to do. And I have found the little bits I have practiced doing it has made just hearing my guides and spirit in my own mind and learning what the differentiation is and

To get out of the way to like receive information instead of reach for it has really helped that process of it. So there's been like ripple effects. Yeah, and I do believe channeling is a natural ability. I don't believe it. I'm special. The conditions of your life. And when you look at things in your training, you can also meditation, it was a lot of pr my practice, and I was inclined to it. In the same way someone can be inclined to swimming or inclined to playing piano.

Megan (26:25.923)
Yeah.

Kelly & Nathaniel (26:47.39)
There's there's an inclination. So when they really wanted to contact me, it was very much like someone knocking aggressively at a door. And for me, it was easier to just say, okay, take over. I'm tired of fighting. I I this is natural. I want to just let it happen. It was easier. So for me, I think there was a degree of being inclined and naturally inclined to this, but I don't believe it's a special ability.

Megan (27:02.979)
Right.

Yeah.

Kelly & Nathaniel (27:15.41)
I just think that I was inclined to it. Also, to be clear, because there's a lot of different takes and there's no like universal like language here. yeah, good. The channeling that we're referring to here is trans channeling, or sometimes like across the pond in the UK, trans mediumship. a little bit different than how we always talk about channeling in the states and North America and Canada and whatnot, where people can receive messages and channel those messages as themselves. This what

Megan (27:41.827)
Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (27:42.942)
What Kelly's doing here is a little bit different of she's going into an altered state, letting go of selfing essentially to allow her mind body to become neutral enough for these spirits that I trust fully to run the show. So it requires a little bit of a deeper trance state and and whatnot. That's why the meditation's been so helpful, 'cause it helped me to control and work with my mind so I can get into a deep altered state more quickly. Yeah.

Megan (27:59.106)
Mm.

Megan (28:12.877)
And so what you know, for somebody who's curious about starting this kind of work, would you say a great place to start would be transcendental meditation? I mean, where what what what's a place to start so that you can start getting your body prepared for receiving and opening up to this work?

Kelly & Nathaniel (28:37.641)
I'll let you talk about the meditation aspect. Yeah. So one of the biggest things I'm passionate about is the meditation work that leads up to this. And I tend to work with a lot of like mediums, and whether that's professionally, and you are like a medium and you have very specific understanding of that word, or just someone who wants to connect with spirit, your guides, whatever, I believe that is a form of mediumship as well. pretty much to use meditation and in more traditional practices.

Right, to access these natural, I call them flow states. And these flow states are just like you would access as a musician or a performer or an athlete or you know, even at work where you're just like you're in that zone and time passes differently and you're it creatively inspired, but you're like analytically and logically present too, and everything's just so balanced. Like I think we all have moments of being tapped into that state. Being able to access that through meditation as a meditative state, to help let

Go of your own mind and ego to learn to receive, not reach for things. And then to take all of those foundational skills that really help you, the medium, the person trying to connect, get to the best state, the most open state possible. So if you choose to apply that to mediumship, card pulls, whatever, you have an easier time hearing and receiving the information and taking that to whatever degree you have. In particular, a lot of the mediums.

Megan (30:02.893)
Hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (30:04.028)
I work with have a degree of mediumship training already, but it's their own mind that's getting in the way. So the meditation training is a way of accessing the mind. So really, I guess the answer is twofold. If you're interested in this, just go start taking classes. Look up your nearest spiritual center or spiritualist church or whatever, crystal shop, new age shop, and just start taking classes and practicing and just go with it. Don't put expectations on it. And then at some point in time, I do think a

more formal meditation practice, whatever that looks like to you, right, would benefit something that actually trains the mind to be able to be quiet and to receive, to work with your intrusive thoughts, to work with the different like aspects of your fear and ego and doubt that come up and how to temporarily set that aside to be in the present moment and stuff like that. Yeah, and I would add on that your guide is a really nice place to start. Yeah. You know, there's

Megan (30:48.803)
Hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (31:01.829)
A sense of being held by spirit. And I think if you can open up to your immediate vicinity, even you will feel spirit being there to hold you. And if you can get yourself into that lightly altered state, that that peaceful place through meditation, and you reach out to your guide, in my opinion, your guide is always reaching back. So it doesn't take

Megan (31:25.005)
Mm-hmm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (31:27.323)
It doesn't take a great being to come through. You have someone right there next to you all the time, loving you, being so invested in you. And you're just reaching back and saying, I'd like I'd like to talk. And if you don't have a guide, if you have a particular faith. Yeah, or a fa either family member. Like to maybe an ancestor, a family member on the other side, a pet, an animal, could be a religious figure that you resonate with, you know? and hilariously

The people I have worked with and talked to, once they start making these changes and do that, that's when they start seeing the synchronicity, the numbers, the angel numbers, the one one, the patterns, the signs. Everything just ramps up almost as in support and validation of walking that path. So always a curious little litmus test for people to see if they notice more of that stuff when they start, you know, putting forth that effort effort to do that.

Megan (32:03.513)
Mm-hmm.

Megan (32:19.597)
Yes, I I always like to bring up that book, The Alchemist, when when this particular do you have you either of you read The Alchemist?

Kelly & Nathaniel (32:27.133)
Yes. I love that way. It's been a while. It's been back in high school.

Megan (32:30.529)
Yeah, right. But it's that it's that sense of when you are going down the right path. The universe, spirit, guides conspire to make everything work for you so that you know it feels easy, right? It's like, right, here we go. As you say, the signs are coming, you're getting lots of positive feedback that you're on the right track, or as my friend Amy Miranda calls them, breadcrumbs. And then, you know, later s you might get tested or whatever, and that's of course following the the

story of the Alchemist just to see how much you want to invest in it, to see how much you you're willing to keep going with this. and s okay, so so then Kelly, because you've got Nathaniel, what you know, does that help does with having Nathaniel there, does do you feel that that helps you

Truly be able to let go because you know you've got a safe person there who will help bring you back.

Kelly & Nathaniel (33:40.691)
I my heart is always happier that he's here. Nothing makes me happier than knowing my my best friend is with me. But once I'm in a trance state, I don't have that much conscious awareness. I'm pretty gone. So I have no thought, awareness, desire to come back, sense of time, knowledge of what's being said. I'm pretty much blipped out. So

Megan (33:44.409)
Ha ha ha.

Kelly & Nathaniel (34:10.373)
Until they bring me back, I could be in that state forever and I wouldn't care. So there's no there's no awareness to care. So although as a awake person right now, I love having him here. Of course, it's always supportive to have you know someone you trust so fully on this side of things. But the truth is once I'm down in the trance state, I wouldn't know if he left the room. So

Megan (34:16.633)
Right.

Megan (34:38.595)
Love it. I mean I don't I mean, you know.

Kelly & Nathaniel (34:40.809)
Yeah, it's a strange experience. It's different. It's different. That's the benefit and I guess wildness of doing trance channeling instead of like receiving messages or doing the automatic writing is that full altered state. And that's why I think I'm I say I'm inclined towards it, is because my relationship with spirit has always been so positive and I've grown up with that. I trust my guides implicitly as well. So if

Megan (34:43.287)
Yeah.

Kelly & Nathaniel (35:10.823)
They decide to walk me into the street. They could. I wouldn't stop them, but I would trust them to never do anything to harm me because I trust them and they're the ones in charge of my body.

Megan (35:15.353)
Mm-hmm.

Megan (35:22.797)
Gotcha. Okay. Right.

So much trust, so much which is really hard for humans to do, right? Especially humans who have gone through things and been hurt before and you know, so it's so it's really nice to have you talking this way because I think for a lot of us that is the the trickiest part. It's the letting go. It's like we say ego, yeah, the surrender, and I'm like

Kelly & Nathaniel (35:28.956)
Ha

Kelly & Nathaniel (35:51.271)
Hmm. Surrender.

Megan (35:56.462)
This is ki this has been my actually, Nathaniel, you might find this interesting as well in this program. I we can say it, right? It's okay. Can yeah. So we're I'm in magic marketing machine, which I'm very vocal about anyways. And Nathaniel has been the coach. And so I I told somebody else from the program this. When I first started, I made a sigil for the word trust. And every single day it was just you know, cause I do journaling and shadow work and

tarot every single day pretty much. And every day I was writing the sigil. It was like just, you know, s because sometimes you don't know where thing something is going and it it can be difficult to keep keep going. and I kept writing trust and then that became the mantra and it was and then it now it's evolved into surrender and letting go and you know a sort of a a bigger version I guess of trust.

But I know that idea of leaning into it and creating this the sigil around it is what helped everything unfold in the way that it has. And you can see it sort of like how you see things after the fact where you say, okay, yeah, I didn't know why this was happening at the time. And that felt hard or whatever. And now I get it.

Now I realize that that was one step, which goes back to what we were saying earlier too about as humans, we can only ever know. So when we're talking about manifesting, there's always gotta be, this is what I think I want, but I know that you know better. So let's co-create together, right? I'll put myself on a path. I know that's what you want, and then you're gonna put whatever else on the path that you think needs to happen, and then we'll keep going. And we have to trust that that is the right direction. Does that align with

Kelly & Nathaniel (37:34.29)
Mm-hmm.

Megan (37:50.413)
How both of you see this stuff?

Kelly & Nathaniel (37:52.689)
Yeah, very much. Yeah, Frey has talked a lot about alignment and that you can call in what you want, but it's your job to get yourself in alignment with that. And when you're in alignment, that's when crazy things start happening. Yeah, she she it's been really interesting to pick her brain about this because sometimes we think of manifesting almost like this metaphysical shopping catalog where you're like, I want that, I want that, call that in, you know. but it's a little bit

Megan (38:18.041)
Yeah.

Kelly & Nathaniel (38:21.392)
Like, okay, say I do want that. How do I step into that river? How do I step into that flow of alignment that would call that in? And what do I need to do within myself, internally, externally, to be a part of that manifestation process? You know, put down the rods so that you can pick up what you want. Yeah, going back to the tarot card pool, you know, and that creation, very much so. And I think as humans, we

Megan (38:42.029)
Right. That's yeah.

Kelly & Nathaniel (38:51.26)
We really like to look ahead and have those ones like, okay, I'm gonna this, then this, then this, and this all makes sense in some master plan. But we only, I think, see such a small slice of the pie that we are just naturally limited in in our incarnate lives here. And so trusting that, you know, our team and spirit, the ones looking out for us, see a lot more than that and can bump us where we need to go. and and developing that trust to be able to receive that.

is just so much more effective.

Megan (39:23.063)
Absolutely agree. Yes. and I think that even just awe in and of itself is such a wonderful feeling to have access to. Yeah. Okay. So that was a that's a great segue. Because let's bring this card back. And Kelly, are you ready to invite invite your folks in? Okay.

Kelly & Nathaniel (39:32.914)
Yeah. Yeah. Feel that one a lot.

Kelly & Nathaniel (39:45.51)
Yeah. So I will say, most likely Freya's gonna come through first. We we never know if Hecate's gonna make an appearance. She is much rarer. but mostly the thing I will tell you is that there's a loud clap when they come through. So please don't get startled by the loud clap. If they switch between them, there'll be another clap and when they're done, they'll clap me out. Mostly it can be startling. There's gonna be a clap. I'll let you do the speech now and I'll go into trance. Yeah. Cool. Sure. I mean the clap is probably the biggest one.

I mean it shipped out of the way. They have certain they don't like if I get bumped. Yeah, I have to watch like my knees and my arms and my chair to make sure like I'm not bumping her and stuff like that. Like the one thing they really like. it they'll be fine, but yeah, they will comment on that. I will say, what else will I say? you'll if you're watching this, you'll see a physical change. Freya is like all smiles.

a very uplifting energy and whatnot. Hecate is very stoic and very

Present in a way that is powerful. And you can see the difference when they come through in that regard. You'll also hear a difference. So they do modify Kelly's voice. They will speak slightly differently. And I think that is to our benefit. So we have an easier time understanding who is coming through. That's at least my my working theory.

You'll also see if you're watching this, not just listening to it, that like Freya tends to do a lot of these like hand movements and stuff like that. She's moving energy, she's healing, she's unblocking things. So that kind of energetic transmission of all of that, we invite you to just sit back and if you're open to it, allow yourself to receive that and let it shift whatever you need to shift within you. it's very qi gong.

Kelly & Nathaniel (41:44.698)
inspired. We have a background in Qigong. So like we've noticed similarities. It's not the same thing, but I think kind of any energy healing energy work modality, there's there's similarities there. So you can observe that happening.

Megan (41:57.39)
Yeah, it it may immediately made me think of Reiki as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are you a Reiki master? I didn't know that.

Kelly & Nathaniel (42:01.052)
Yeah. As a Reiki master exactly.

I am. Yeah. Yeah, we have a bunch of things. It's it's a whole chest full of fun skills and adventures.

Megan (42:17.825)
I have my Reiki too. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So hi Freya. Do you have anything you wanted to add about the Ten of Wands card that came up?

Kelly & Nathaniel (42:19.606)
I love that. That's great.

Kelly & Nathaniel (42:24.164)
Yes.

Kelly & Nathaniel (42:32.741)
You must not be afraid to put something down that is serving you. It is easy to say because I know that this has given me wonderful things. I must keep it. I must hold it. I will keep it near me because I understand that the body has a desire to stay safe within what it understands. But you cannot grow while you are carrying that which has served you in the past. There are times where you must stop yourself from maintaining what has been working.

So that you may have what will work even better.

Megan (43:05.849)
I love that. That's such an important message right now. thank you for that. So Freya, how do we know when we're avoiding difficulty? And

Kelly & Nathaniel (43:20.931)
It is not hard to know when you are avoiding it. It is very obvious in your body. You will feel tense. You will feel as if you are stiff. You will wake up with headaches.

Megan (43:31.639)
Okay. So what should we do about it if we if we feel like we're avoiding a challenge, what and we're noticing it in our body, what are some of the steps we can take to start to meet that challenge, especially if we're feeling afraid of it?

Kelly & Nathaniel (43:51.076)
This is much more difficult. I would tell you the first thing you need to do is remind yourself that you are loved by yourself. It is very difficult to face any challenge if you are waiting for your own self-judgment. If you are waiting to be told that you are indeed a failure, you will find that you cannot move. You cannot face that which is terrifying. It is only through trusting yourself, loving yourself.

Recognizing that even when you are failing and acting poorly, you are deserving of your own love, that you will find the courage to move forward.

Megan (44:28.963)
would we do if we noticed that somebody in our lives was struggling to meet a challenge? What would be how can we best support those around us to help them even just be able to acknowledge or is that possible? Do we have do people have to come to that on their own?

Kelly & Nathaniel (44:51.385)
You may support others, but you may not choose in their incarnate life. You may not say, I see this flaw about you, and I would like to fix you. You cannot fix another, but you can say, I love you, I see you, I understand you. You may also take time to listen to their perspective, see why they are indeed self sabotaging, because they do not wish to hurt themselves or others. Most beings desire unity.

Kindness and understanding. Most beings are seeking love of themselves and others. And so you must come knowing that this is not a being who is trying to be cruel. Most beings are not. There are indeed some moments when we are, but that is different. I would tell you instead to listen first and support second and fix never.

Megan (45:43.587)
Fix never. I think a lot of people will struggle with that one. Freya, what

Kelly & Nathaniel (45:49.785)
You cannot fix another you can only support them, and so by trying to fix them what you are doing is telling them they are not enough for you, and this is the opposite of support.

Megan (46:01.507)
Yeah, you're very you're very right, obviously. what do you think would be the most helpful thing to concentrate on right now as humans at this particular point in history?

Kelly & Nathaniel (46:20.419)
It is not simply historic, but I would tell you that within each being there is a sense of truth. And many times you are so absorbed in your incarnate reality, you forget to notice your own inner truth. This is what you need most to make choices that will benefit yourself and humanity. Historically, many of you have done this.

And these are the beings you will often notice have made great change. And so, if you are called to make great change, I would tell you to listen to your internal truth. This may not align with others, but you will find that you will be peaceful within this. I would also tell you that you cannot move forward with anger as your core. It does not matter if your anger is just, it will not give you strength the way love will give you strength.

This is not to say that you cannot make change. It is instead to say that you must learn to be strong with love.

Megan (47:22.817)
Mm.

For humans, I think that is one of the biggest things that we struggle with. What would be a first step along that path? And it it does it would you say that it aligns with being able to let go of our our the ego self that that, you know, feels hurt?

Kelly & Nathaniel (47:45.827)
Yes, but that will come later. It is more difficult to release that sense of ego and self than it is to love yourself. Loving yourself is the first step. It is a vital step, and it is a step that is often lost in human beings. You must stop and say, I am enough. I am deserving of love at all times. And you must recognize that when you are failing, when you are less than, when you are flawed as you will be, you are deserving of love.

I would tell you to say this to yourself in front of a mirror. This is one of the most powerful exercises you can do to simply see yourself in your eyes and say, I love you. I do not expect you to be perfect to earn my love.

Megan (48:32.419)
I love that message. Thank you, Freya. How can we be the best stewards of magic and our gifts?

Kelly & Nathaniel (48:42.36)
It is more natural than you believe. It is simply to stop yourself from doubting yourself before you begin. You must not be blinded by your desire, but you also must not be blinded by your fear. It is the balance between these two that truly allow you to develop your gifts. Do not walk unquestioningly forward, but also do not stop yourself from walking. It is between the two that you will find your balance.

Megan (49:13.95)
And for folks who are inclined to start

Megan (49:21.763)
Figuring out the shadow parts of ourselves and working

Kelly & Nathaniel (49:25.354)
I I am I am I I am I am I I am so we just that's the transition. It's we have Hecate coming through. Yeah they clap yeah the I IM set you just heard is often like a energetic and vocal calibration just as the energies I think switch over and adjust. So that's that's usually what Hecate does. I am ready.

Megan (49:32.727)
Yep. I thought that might be coming. Hi Hackati.

Megan (49:50.138)
Okay, great. Hackity, where can we start? What is the best way to start exploring the what we call the shadow aspects of ourselves?

Kelly & Nathaniel (49:59.96)
You must start with what you dislike about yourself. It is not subtle.

Megan (50:04.713)
Hmm. Is there a way of doing that work that is better for us than another way?

Kelly & Nathaniel (50:15.513)
It is easy to stop and say, I hate this. I feel anger towards myself, disgust and shame. This is not useful. It is not that it is wrong to feel these things. It is not that it is fearful for you to say, it is my own failing that I am observing. This is very useful. But to do it with hatred towards yourself creates a world where you do not think clearly, you cannot understand or grow clearly.

And therefore it is not correct. Again, it is not wrong, but it is not useful. If you instead look at yourself as if you are neutral, there is no good or bad, there is no right or wrong, there is nothing that you must be ashamed of. But instead, you will observe yourself as self, as a being of incarnate life. Recognize what you believe is what you wish to nurture, and what you believe is not.

What you wish to nurture. From there, you will gain clarity. From this clarity, you may begin to dissect yourself, to ask yourself, is this how I wish to live this incarnate life? If the answer is no, then you must begin to dig into this information. Ask yourself, why am I this way? Why is this how I have chosen to live? Because it is a choice. You will never be held hostage by your past or patterns.

You will always know that you are in many ways in control, although you are not the dictator of the universe or yourself.

Megan (51:51.512)
So what would be the the easiest way for somebody who struggles with not liking themselves to be able to see their shadow side, the difficult parts of themselves with that neutrality that you were talking about?

Kelly & Nathaniel (52:08.185)
I would begin with Freya's exercise. It is very useful to do as she says. It will give you a more neutral mind, and then you may begin to explore that which I say.

Megan (52:11.415)
Yeah. The about loving yourself?

Megan (52:22.915)
Hmm. And would you say that exploring the shadow self is also very helpful in terms of how we interact with other people?

Kelly & Nathaniel (52:33.688)
Yes.

Megan (52:36.213)
Okay. what kind of

What would be what is a good way to explore the shadow self? So for example, I like to do journaling and asking myself questions and keeping on going in that way. Do you have any other ideas for people?

Kelly & Nathaniel (52:56.016)
Contemplation is wise. You may also notice the way that your body reacts on a spiritual level. You may notice energy blockages, places where you feel as if you are stiff. If you are in tune with this, you will notice it energetically. If you are not, you may notice it physically. Both are accurate ways of interacting with yourself. I would tell you that you may stop and look into it as if it is a crystal ball.

You may zoom in on your ankle that is stiff and ask it, How are you here to teach me? What am I storing in this place?

Megan (53:34.739)
that is so interesting. And how what's the best way to connect to be able to receive the message?

Kelly & Nathaniel (53:44.312)
You will hear it, you will feel it, or you will know it. You may also see it. But I would tell you, you will be unsure, but when you feel an emotional shift, you will know that it is true.

Megan (53:58.202)
Okay. And so is part of this just that we need to trust that if we feel like we've got the answer that we go with that?

Kelly & Nathaniel (54:07.224)
If you do not trust yourself, then look into this as your shadow self.

Megan (54:12.025)
Mm, that's helpful too. Thank you, Hecate. Is there anything that you wish that we could all know right now?

Kelly & Nathaniel (54:22.489)
Fear is an ever present energy in everything. It is not to be eradicated, it is not to be judged, it is not to be indulged, it is simply a natural aspect of existence. If you fight it, you will always live in conflict. If you over embrace it, you will always live in terror. You must learn to recognize when fear is useful.

And when your mind is simply allowing itself to run rampant.

Megan (54:56.985)
Hello Freya. Did you come back because you wanted to say something?

Kelly & Nathaniel (55:01.407)
Yes, it is simply that you must be kind to your fear. You cannot use harshness despite the fact that fear itself is a natural harsh space. You must understand that within fear there is compassion towards yourself. You wish to feel safe. You wish to feel whole. This is why you hold fear, because you are worried you will lose these things. If you learn to recognize when you are able to hold yourself.

In safety and love, your feel will naturally dissipate, and the parts that are not useful will be rarer.

Megan (55:40.329)
Hey. Freya, if there was one message that you think could help everybody right now, because I'm sure you're aware there's a lot of fear, there's a lot of uncertainty. There's there's a lot of

really awful things that are happening to people in the world. What's the what's the message from all of that?

Kelly & Nathaniel (56:05.338)
Tell you, the thing you must know is this is not the entirety of reality. And so as you move in and out of incarnate lives, there is so much more than what you see. You do not need to be afraid that this is everything. It is simply such a small portion that this is more of a petri dish. A place where things are explored, where a microscope can observe you. It is not everything. This should give you peace. But I would also tell you.

To all beings, be kind, because this is true love. This is what will propel you towards being your whole self, your happiest self, your most loving self, and this is your connection to your divine self.

And they're done. They just clap you that?

Megan (56:57.689)
Thank you. What do you think Nathaniel? That was pretty pretty cool. That was a lot that came through.

Kelly & Nathaniel (57:01.685)
It's it's always a treat to say I know, I have like my list of like follow up questions. Like I'm not no, no. We could only send her back down. We can't send me back down. see if the adults

Megan (57:09.593)
No, no, we won't send you back down. No, no, no. That was that was a that was amazing. how are you feeling, Kelly? Are you good?

Kelly & Nathaniel (57:20.227)
Yeah, I'm good. I'm always thirsty afterwards.

Megan (57:23.117)
I bet, yeah. yes. thank you for saying that the clapping would be jarring 'cause it even though I n like I knew it was coming, I still

Kelly & Nathaniel (57:30.531)
It is

Megan (57:35.902)
I felt s I felt a lot of stuff when Freya was starting to do the healing energetic work, which was really magical and wonderful. And it's I think it's so interesting th the th the two of them feel like the light and the shadow, right? The balance, and I know that they're both both.

But there is that element of

we are gonna focus on on the light and the love and we are also gonna focus on the shadow and like both are equally as important and and help each other, which is why it's so interesting that they both wanted to come through so strongly for you with these two sides of this of the same coin essentially.

Kelly & Nathaniel (58:32.153)
To be fair, Haikati was actually the one who taught me to do the trans channeling this deeply. She was she was my mentor. Essentially, she almost everything I know she taught me. She pulled Freya in. She chose her. She said, This is the person I want to be the face for you, not me. I'll be with you always, but this is the person I chose as the spokesperson. So they must have a communication, but they work.

Megan (58:44.195)
She brought Freya in.

Kelly & Nathaniel (59:00.365)
Yeah. Delegate who answers what questions and how they play off of each other. Like it is always fascinating to watch because we don't have any say in control over that. They are running the show at that point. And I will say I know in some private sessions Freya has talked about shadow self with people and Heggati has never come together. Yeah, like I I can so it's not always a topic thing. I can attest to that personally. There are times where, like, yeah, maybe I'm a little too hard on myself. I'm I'm coming from too much fear, anger, judgment, whatever about my own shadow aspects, whether it's judgment.

Megan (59:19.361)
Mm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (59:30.467)
nervousness, whatever. And you need that kind of loving touch. You need for you to remind you that, hey, see this, but let's hold this with delicacy. Let's hold this with gentleness and compassion and love and explore it that way. And it feels like a warm embrace. It feels supportive and in enjoyable. Other times maybe I'm being, you know, a true Taurus and being a little bit of a stubborn ass, you know? And I need a little like tough love or someone to tell me like

straight and true, like no, you're getting in your own way. You need to decide and just do this. Like, you know. Yeah, I've had many a pep talk from Hecate. Hecate will go for it. She's not afraid to give you that message with love, of course, and in your best interest. And you're like, okay, well now now I'll listen, you know?

Megan (01:00:11.897)
She came before I even finished my sentence. She knew exactly where I was heading. That that was what that was No, yeah, we should say like I didn't tell them anything about how we today was gonna go. and she that's that and so along with the clap, I was like holy moly. she just knew that it was like

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:00:16.751)
Were you were you putting it 'cause we didn't know the questions ahead of time. I I

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:00:34.402)
Ha ha ha.

Megan (01:00:38.477)
to come through and what I really appreciate is the the two of them really seem to understand. So you both might know this, my listeners will know this a little bit. I help people with public speaking. And so part of what we talk about is how are people going to receive the message? So that means like who is your audience, but also how do human beings, how are we able to receive? And so

You know, if you're coming at somebody yelling with anger, they're probably not going to be able to receive your message. Instead, they're just going to put up an energetic force field and then and and make up stories about how you are in the wrong, right? But what I I appreciated about how Freya and Hecate show up is that Hackity is very direct, like, you've got to do this. Like this, there there's no this or that. This is how you do it.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:01:23.086)
Yeah.

Megan (01:01:37.326)
You've gotta do it. And Freya seems to understand that that, you know, we do need that that's that loving sort of nurturing. And this speaks to what you were kind of sp talking about a a couple minutes earlier, Nathaniel. So they have a sense of how to communicate with humans. And it almost feels like Hackity, you know, not to not to bring up a wrestling reference, but she knows her role.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:02:05.901)
Yeah, like we have a close relative, my uncle, who who refers to her as the linebacker of truth, I think is what he described it. It's not in one of the first things. And I'm like, that's that's fair. I agree with that. but yeah, like in going off what you said about like digesting the message, like there's a lot to unpack. There's a lot to say. Like everything is a mic drop with them. When we tell people if they come to like one of our workshops or if they get a private session or something like that, it's like listen back.

Megan (01:02:12.429)
Right.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:02:35.512)
Listen to it a few weeks later. Listen to it a few months later. You will unpack nuance and wording choice. You will unpack it'll hit differently and and cause new insights and understanding. They tend to be much more intentional than I always give them credit for, at least at first. Now I just assume what they're doing, they know best. But like they they know what they're doing. They mean exactly what they said.

We might not always every word, every small little thing that they meant to say it.

Megan (01:03:01.709)
Yes.

Megan (01:03:09.569)
It's very clear. Right? And we don't say that again.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:03:12.536)
And I'm not, which is I said I'm not. I'm a much more rambly person than they are. Yeah, yeah, neither.

Megan (01:03:19.779)
Me too. I am very rambly, so I really appreciate it when people are direct. well, listen, and so that's a great segue to talk about. You have these quarterly workshops. Can you tell us a little bit about them?

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:03:37.42)
Yeah, so we really wanted to create a space where people can learn from them and also have the experience of getting to talk to them. Because like we post videos and clips of them that we edit down and try to keep quick for like social media and whatnot. But the I think the true benefit is like hearing them on a podcast like this, which is why we're so grateful that you had us on. and also to be able to like see them like in person. And when you come to like experience it yourself, online even online, like

Megan (01:03:58.019)
The grape.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:04:04.513)
It can be powerful. Like it's great in person, but like even online, just having that interaction. And these workshops were a way that we can we can try to accomplish that. So we try to do them quarterly, one every season for the most part. I think at the time that this episode releases, we'll be having our fall one coming up in the end of October. but they're they're free, they're online, and like we have to look at our calendars and like pick the day. She goes into trance, like you guys just all heard. I ask them what they want to talk about.

They give us all this information and context. I use the to market and to publicize it and email our list about it and all that stuff. and like we don't know what they're gonna say and what they're gonna teach, but generally we try to structure it in way that like if you come live, you get the most out of it, right? Freya will do some energy attunements and healing in the beginning part. Then we go into the teaching portion on the workshop topic that changes every workshop.

They both come through sometimes. I don't I think they almost always I think he's always come through on the workshop. I think they make a joint decision about speech, they'll take questions, they'll walk us through meditations and exercises and stuff like that. Yeah, Frey some great meditations and sh a lot of times during the workshop, she uses her energy to help people have the experience there. So if you're someone who struggles to connect or struggles to walk through that process.

A lot of times people will say it's much easier when she's there healing during it. Well it's great. Yeah, we've had people come and like email us afterwards, like, I came out with this massive headache, I almost didn't come. But end of the workshop, it was totally gone. Like whatever it was, the energy, the attunements, whatever happened, just shifted that little thing for me. and then the the exercises are fun and then we try to always give people a chance to be able to ask a personal question at the end, you know, not recorded and whatnot, where they can bring one question, have a little back and forth. Just to get an idea of like to talk to them, talk to them like friends. Like, you know.

G the guidance, you know. There sometimes you have a burning question, it's a great place to just get that immediate answer.

Megan (01:06:03.255)
Right, right. And so how do people find out how they can sign up to for the for the workshops?

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:06:11.32)
We have a link on our website. you can go and look for the trans workshop. we'll give you the link as well. And modern monks.net. Yeah, modernmonks.net. that's plural modern monks. Because there's two of us. And it's not.com, it's dot net. yeah, us and the guys and all of you, you know, everyone who comes along is a part of that community. you can also follow

Either of us on Instagram, particularly Kelly, who will post like I will always be posting at the workshops that are coming up because you get to see what the workshop's about. But generally like if you go to the page, you can sign up for the wait list so you're notified when we do announce the next one. And of course once we do that, we really email our list, break down what the guides talk about, what you're gonna get out of it, all the bells and whistles and all that stuff. So yeah.

Megan (01:06:43.289)
Okay. Yeah.

Megan (01:06:51.449)
Okay, I have one last question for you. Kelly, what's it like when you go back and watch the videos?

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:07:01.23)
So because my background is actually in singing, is my my the first thing I loved in life. probably the weirdest thing for me is I catch a lot of vocal nuance that I'm not good at. Yeah, so like in my opinion, Frey uses a lot more of the front of her tongue when she enunciates than I do, which makes her crisper and clearer. She has a lot less sloppiness than I do. I have some California sloppiness in my enunciation. She doesn't. I think that's really fascinating.

Megan (01:07:13.773)
I was okay. I wanna talk about this. Yeah. Okay.

Megan (01:07:30.797)
Yeah.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:07:31.024)
when Hakati first started speaking through me, I would feel the vocal stimulation without me sending it. So I'd feel her press on my lungs. I'd feel the air by my vocal cords. And I was like, what's happening? I'm not making noise, but if you do this process, this is how noise is created. So it will happen. So it's almost like a very strange. So I guess the first thing I'd say is hearing it back. The strangest thing for me is the vocal. It's my body.

Megan (01:07:38.241)
Mm.

Megan (01:07:51.767)
Right.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:07:59.874)
I can I can physically make all these sounds, of course I could. But I don't. And I know the training it takes to try to make these sounds, and honestly, I can't do it. I'm a terrible mimic. Like really bad. I can't mimic anyone.

Megan (01:08:07.362)
Uh-huh.

Megan (01:08:15.865)
Well, you were trying at the beginning, right, when we were doing sound check. You were trying to because it was like, Well, I don't know how they're gonna sound and you were trying to mimic them and it was hard for you. But here's

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:08:18.84)
Yeah, at first check.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:08:24.31)
at it. Yeah. I can analyze it, but I can't do it.

Megan (01:08:29.143)
Yeah, that is so fascinating. and so here's so I'm a musician and a singer. and when I record the engineer always notices like a second frequency. And so we figured this out, you know, sort of in the first, because I worked with the same engineer in the first couple of albums, and so there's always this like second, he was like

What is happening? Like what is this and where's it coming from? And it it comes out sometimes when I'm doing this very long chant, so I can hear a s like other sounds. and that was happening with you, with Freya. So I was hearing two frequencies.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:09:19.639)
That's cool. That's awesome. Yeah. I've my ears not trained enough. I don't know if you see it. Do you see it digitally or can you like now you know what to like hear and like listen for?

Megan (01:09:21.432)
Yeah.

Megan (01:09:27.873)
It's it's it's like there's two voices happening at the same time.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:09:32.567)
That's wild. That's really cool. So

Megan (01:09:34.689)
I'm really curious now when I go back to to listen to see if it's to see if it's come through. But I've actually never experienced that with somebody else before.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:09:43.511)
Wild. That's wild. That's first time. They have they definitely have their own gifts and abilities. It's actually really funny too, as someone like who knows her, like Caitlin and I will joke all the time. And it's like, they use vocabulary and word choices and and sentence structures that she just does not use. You know? there are sometimes like a Frey will pull out a word and you're just like like the mind body conglomerate came out one time and I'm like

Who the heck talks that way? Like, I know you've never, never once said that.

Now at this point, we've been working this so long that our language is probably slightly affected by how they talk about things. Yeah, I mean they say things enough. And I do listen back to a lot of videos and stuff and try and understand what they're saying. But a lot of times I'm I don't want to say like sometimes I'll listen back and I'll be like, what did you mean by that? Why did you use that word? I am confused by what context this is coming up in.

And I think it's really fascinating because I'm like, I had follow-up questions when I heard it back, but it's not like they knew. So they didn't answer. Like it's it's a very strange thing to feel like it's something else. In the same way that if you are were listening back to a talk from someone, you might have follow up questions that you wish you could have answered if you were there. That's kind of how something all feel, and that's a strange thing. So yeah, it just feels very different.

Megan (01:11:05.709)
Right.

Yeah. D Do you ever talk to them yourself inside of you? Yes, okay.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:11:16.331)
Yes, yes. So ideal. They're they are my friends. Like ultimately, like if you work that close with someone, there's a connection. And I think there should be. I think it's vital for the work I do to have that relationship. But

Megan (01:11:27.393)
Mm.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:11:34.397)
The nuance with which they can communicate when they're using my voice and my body is so complex. And I I don't get that level of nuance in my head. I can hear a phrase or two really clearly. I'll get an image. I'll get an emotion. The gist of something. Yeah, I'll get the gist of something or a concept. Again, usually if I'm really talking to them, I'll get a a sentence. I'll get a clear sentence that comes with some like non-verbal information. But I get a sentence.

Megan (01:11:53.685)
Okay.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:12:03.436)
Not thirty minutes of sentences. Which is like the beauty like Yeah, no, it no, no, it's g i it gives you a chance to have a direct conversation back and forth with the guides. And that's what's so cool about the trans channeling part of it. It's like you're bypassing the other human mind, the interpretation of what spirit's talking to the practitioner, right? There's always that interpretation and some layer of that.

Megan (01:12:05.975)
Yeah. Yeah. Or in very fast. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Sorry, Nathaniel, what were you gonna say?

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:12:31.607)
sometimes our own bias if you're doing it yourself. And so when it comes to the trans channel, I think it's just there's so much more nuance, there's so much more clarity. You can ask those follow up questions and really have that full experience. You know? And sometimes they say things I'm surprised or disagree with. And I'm like, well I didn't think that was a thing. Apparently, I don't know. You know.

Megan (01:12:52.151)
You could you no, no, you would never do that. You would never say, sorry, that wasn't me talking, that was somebody else. If somebody got upset with you, actually, Kelly, you're like, that wasn't me.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:13:01.547)
I feel like you'd know it was me because I'd be the oxygen. Sound different.

Megan (01:13:03.223)
You'd never yeah, that's true. We would know immediately. my goodness. Listen, you both, this has been absolutely wonderful. And even I just, you know, realizing today that today is like astrologically a really cool day for us to be doing this. We are recording this at the end of July for those of you who are listening. So I am very excited for when this comes out and how this is going to travel through time as

as these things do and how much that message is going to land even more than it does now. But like for me, I'm gonna go back almost immediately, I think, and listen to the messages because I kind of just let them wash over me. But now I want to go back and get a little bit more specific. I appreciate your time so much, both of you. This has been really, really wonderful. And for all of you who are listening, I'll make sure to to link every possible link that I can in the show notes.

Before we leave you both, is there anything else you want to add to the mix?

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:14:09.015)
Thank you for listening. Yeah. Keeping an open mind. You know, it's it's a journey. I think, like you said, Megan, listen back to it the first time. Take what sticks, let go of the rest. Give it a few weeks, digest it, put it into practice. Cause sometimes the messages sound so simple and so duh at first. But then when you actually start telling yourself that you love yourself in the mirror and you're on day three sobbing and it's hitting different, and you're like, I just

didn't understand the depth that this would have, which of course leads you into a realization that you've been judging yourself the whole time, which leads you into Hecate's part of like, why have I been judging myself? wow, my shoulder's tight. Why is my shoulder tight? And a memory comes through. And you're like, is that memory from my childhood something I've been storing in my body all along? Because we know the mind body and emotional body is all interconnected. It just is this unfolding, unraveling journey. And a lot of times they will put in messages that

Will make sense once you do the practice. So if you're doing it and you come up against a question or a challenge, go back and listen again because you might get the answer the second time, third. It's been embedded in the first time around. So and if you don't, and if it's not there, like reach out to us, come follow us, come to a workshop, or like get a private session yourself. This is a great chance to get that really like personal one on one. I'm not there for the one on one sessions. I'm there to host the workshops and kind of like facilitate that.

Megan (01:15:09.592)
Right.

Megan (01:15:17.571)
Yeah.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:15:31.594)
And I don't remember it all. So it's just you and the guides. The the the one on ones are just you and the guides. We'll give you a video recording of that too. if for the personal, real personal stuff and vulnerable stuff that you want to talk about. Yeah. but yeah.

Megan (01:15:43.443)
Ugh, I love it. I love it. Thank you both so much.

Kelly & Nathaniel (01:15:47.436)
Thank you and thanks for having us in the guides. Yeah.

Megan (01:15:51.417)
Truly, truly a pleasure. okay, so you can find all the information and takeaways from today's episode in the show notes or at embracingenchantment.com. Subscribe and follow wherever you get your podcasts, and please leave a review or a voice note. You can find out more about Kelly and Nathaniel and where to follow them in the show notes or at embracingenchantment.com and make sure you sign up for that October workshop. Make sure you're subscribed because we have the absolute best guests.

Obviously, and season three is no exception. We have very exciting guests for season three. Until then, here's to building an enchanted.