The Suburban Witch: Are Evil Spirits Real?

Megan Hamilton (00:01.841)
I'm Megan Hamilton and this is the Embracing Enchantment Podcast. I am so thrilled to have today's guest on the podcast. I came to follow her during the lockdowns when most of us were on TikTok and Instagram nonstop. I loved her TikToks about witchcraft, crystals, tarot, divination, and we even had the same tarot moon backdrop. She blends witchcraft and a variety of tools to support everyday stuff

and teaches you how to do it. Today's guest is Hannah O'Neill of Suburban Witchery. Thank you so much for coming, Hannah.

Hana The Suburban Witch (00:39.542)
Thank you so much for having me and my I still have my moon backdrop. It's just on a different wall so you can't see it

Megan Hamilton (00:46.403)
have it too. I took it down because you know what? I'll show you what I got. Actually, you might you might find this. I only show it to people who would be like,

I got this backdrop a while ago.

Do you recognize it?

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:02.228)
is it, is that going to be the high priestess something?

Megan Hamilton (01:05.485)
Yeah, yes it is. So that came up. This is like the literal veil and it came up on Instagram, you know, and some somebody's shop or something. And I think I smashed that like buy button. I was like, must have this. So the moon, the moon got put away for a little while, but sometimes I do like outdoor readings and then I use the moon as a backdrop for that. So that's really fun.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:17.878)
lol

Yep.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:25.89)
No, no.

That's fun. I got a new camera set up like I just it's in a different spot in my room So it has a different background, but I have a new poster Which you can probably see if you're catching the video of this and it is the X files poster that Fox Malta has in his room So I'm obsessed that was one of those ones where I found it and I was like immediate purchase. Yes, please I need

Megan Hamilton (01:41.425)
Hmm?

Megan Hamilton (01:47.305)
Yeah, I know how to market to the nerds. They're like, I know what's going to sell over here. OK, so you will all be pleased to learn if you don't know already that Hannah also reads tarot. So I'm going to pull a card today. And then after I finished talking about it, Hannah is going to give us her interpretation as well. And Hannah, know that you come from an evangelical background.

We should also mention that Hannah, I'm talking to Hannah tomorrow for what I am today, because Hannah's in Australia. So it's early morning, not early morning, I guess, but it's it's evening where I am and morning where she is. So I really appreciate your coming on in your morning time. And okay, so Hannah comes from an evangelical background and part of

Hana The Suburban Witch (02:24.536)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Hamilton (02:41.399)
Your mission, Hannah, is to support folks who have left the church like you and want to embrace a more, would you say, like, aligned spirituality?

Hana The Suburban Witch (02:50.572)
Yeah, I often use the term alternative spirituality because I don't want to box anyone in either. And I think there's so many different ways we can express our spiritual sides. And a lot of people, especially from the evangelical side of things, we have this deep spiritual side to us, this spiritual need. And when the threads start to unravel and we start going, hang on, this might not be correct or helpful, or maybe it's even harmful.

but I still feel there is something, right? I'm still spiritual, I don't know what it is. We go through that little agnostic stage. Through that is, I think, certain stages that a lot of people have to go through. I myself went through the, okay, I can't do any work with deities. I absolutely, that's way too hard. Now I do, and I think a lot of people, it just takes time. So alternative spirituality isn't saying, hey, I'm gonna teach you, I'm not Wiccan, but like,

I'm going teach you Wicca, I'm going to teach you traditional witchcraft or this or this. It's more just, here's some stuff. If that takes your interest, if you're ready for that, here is the information. If you're not, what's coming up and let's work through it together. So if it's something like what we're to chat about today, which is something a little bit darker, is a little bit scary, let's talk about it because you might have the wrong impression or information from the background or pop culture, all sorts of things can send us down the wrong path.

Megan Hamilton (04:16.284)
huh.

Hana The Suburban Witch (04:18.23)
And so it's kind of like deconstructing your old beliefs and then reconstructing new beliefs.

Megan Hamilton (04:24.433)
I love it. I, I have a number of friends who left whatever church that they were involved with. And so I know that it's a very long process. It involves your family often. It involves like untangling. And as you say, deconstructing, I took a tarot workshop with Jessica door. Do you know who Jessica door is?

You're you're you're going to I'm so excited for you to learn about this person. But one of the things that we talked about was, you know, all of the things we take for granted that are just, this this is the way of Taro and this is how we do this. And it's full of archetypes. And she's like, one thing we could do is say, are they archetypes? Is Taro actually archetypes or is it a storyline or is it X, Y, Z? And so like allowing yourself to

Hana The Suburban Witch (04:50.318)
Amazing.

Megan Hamilton (05:16.869)
deconstruct everything that you grew up with, everything that you came to understand as just like your culture and your friends and the whole shebang. Sometimes if folks don't come from a background like that or know somebody who did, it's really hard to understand how much work you have to do to get to the other side of it and start to become your full self. Does that feel kind of

Hana The Suburban Witch (05:28.034)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Hamilton (05:46.65)
Accurate?

Hana The Suburban Witch (05:47.854)
Yeah, it's two sort of things come up and they're both kind of odd but can you imagine if you'd been reading Tarot your whole life and you're like I know Tarot. Tarot is like I know all about it right and then someone comes in and they're like actually the Tower is a wonderful card. We love the Tower. The Tower means great things are coming. You'd be like no you're wrong but then imagine you like started pulling out the threads and realized that maybe they actually were right. Maybe you'd been told the wrong thing.

Megan Hamilton (06:08.465)
hehe

Hana The Suburban Witch (06:15.096)
The whole time. Your world would kind of implode. You'd be like, well what else? Which other card have I been using wrong? All these times I've done this, right? Like that's a weird example because the Tower card is not great blessings coming. But in the way of like spiritual understanding of the world, that's kind of the reverse of what happened at least to me in the church, right? So everything kind of implodes and you start to question everything. And that takes a lot of time. It took me years. took me literally years. So the other one I wanted to bring up because

Megan Hamilton (06:33.776)
Yeah.

Hana The Suburban Witch (06:43.918)
The word deconstruction, think a lot of people are like, what? It's literally only come about, I think since 2016, the term deconstruction in regards to Christianity. But I like to think about it the way my mother, who is a very picky eater, like toast and potatoes and she's good, right? Popcorn, that's all she'll eat, right? And I like, they are good foods, right? But I like to push her. I'm like, come on.

Megan Hamilton (07:04.049)
I mean, those are good foods.

Hana The Suburban Witch (07:11.436)
let's eat some vegetables, let's go to a restaurant and eat. This is Mexican food, come with me to a Mexican, this is Korean food, like we're going to explore. And she's very stubborn, won't try anything. But every now and then she will, but she can't just go in, like she wouldn't just go and eat a taco. She couldn't, she would have to open it up and pick out all the bits to see, okay, what's this? that's lettuce. I know what that is. That's tomato. Okay, great. I know what that is. This is, and she'd go through, find all the stuff that's in there and then be like,

Okay, now I can now I can start to put it back but actually I don't want the lettuce and you She reconstructs it how she wants it and I think deconstructions a little bit like a taco you start to pull apart the things you've always believed and or Maybe didn't know what underneath your beliefs, right? You're like, but it's just a taco. It's just Christianity We'll know what makes it up. Where did it come from? Where did this belief around entities come from? Where did this belief around witchcraft come from? Is it actually in there?

when you open it up and start to peel it back? Or did you just think it was going to be spicy because you just presumed so, right? But there's actually no chili. That's a really weird food analogy, but it feels like it might make sense to some people who are weird like me.

Megan Hamilton (08:18.596)
I love it.

Megan Hamilton (08:23.217)
Also, anytime we can talk about tacos, I think is a great time. I love a taco. In fact, my friend wrote to me the other day, he lives in another part of Canada and we're very, very close, but we never get to see each other. And I might go and do something fun where he lives. And I said, if I get to come and do this, let's go and have tacos every single day. And he's like, done. Okay. So as you were talking and I, know, because we know that Tara was cheeky and

Hana The Suburban Witch (08:28.268)
I love it, Taco.

Megan Hamilton (08:53.445)
so on the nose, sometimes we pulled the nine of ones and I think, you know, speaking of, physical and psychic wounds of the church and spirit and the way that you behave when you have actually been hurt by something and you are expecting potentially to be hurt again. And so I don't know about you, but one of the things that

usually comes up if people are talking about this card. And once again, I'm using the Rider Waite Smith deck is people call this card the victim complex card. And I hate that because there's a reason this person is standing there like this. There's legit shit that this person has gone through. And so of course they're going to be prepared to deal with anything else that might be coming their way again.

So we know because this is a nine that on the other side of this is a completion of this cycle, right? And that it's that sort of, know, nines of fines sometimes are the worry card, right? The you think of the nine of swords as well. It's it's the, you know, right before there's a sigh of relief and whatever the thing was has come to an end or to a full fruition. And so I think, you know,

It's interesting that this card and it fell out as you were talking about leaving the church and coming to realize all of these things that you came to realize about, you know, probably why you left in the first place. So the card is universal. And I think that the reason it's coming at us, so like it's obviously speaks to your particular story, but I think it's also coming up to remind us all.

One, can we please stop using victim mentality and victim complex as some kind of pejorative? Because honestly, unless we start recognizing where people are having and experiencing pain and why they're behaving the way that they're behaving, we're just going to keep on with each other. Two, where are you expecting to be hurt? And how can you deconstruct where that came from?

Megan Hamilton (11:20.153)
and how you might be able to let your body relax a little bit instead of just always kind of darting around wondering when the other shoe is going to drop. What do you want to say to that Hannah?

Hana The Suburban Witch (11:33.922)
Yeah, I love, I love this card because it is, it's a little on edge. It is expecting to be heard again because we can see he's got a bandage on his head. He's like, I have been burned before. I'm not going to let that happen again. But what I love about this is he's standing on this like concrete with his hard barren concrete and behind him, behind this wall or this fence that he's built is beautiful green pastures. So sometimes

We are so afraid of being hurt again. We will not explore what could be better for us because it feels safer in the harshness Of what we know because we know how to protect ourselves And so it's a really great way to to look at this card. And it's what I often bring up is like yes, you're feeling on edge you're feeling like You've been hurt and you don't want to be hurt again. No one wants to be hurt again But how is that possibly stopping you from exploring or seeing what else could be out there and?

what do you think needs to happen or we can pull cards on what needs to happen to move through that to get to where you want to be, right? Because we can't stay in this little spot forever. There's no grass. There's nothing to eat.

Megan Hamilton (12:41.477)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. I love it. Yes. Yeah, that's interesting. love hearing how people read the cards because I almost never think about the green hills in the back. So thank you for that.

Hana The Suburban Witch (12:56.302)
Smith put in so many little nuggets of things that you can pick up on. Love it. Love it.

Megan Hamilton (13:00.721)
Mm. She's I mean, I had cult mother, do know Hannah Joy Graves? Have you started to follow her yet? my gosh.

Hana The Suburban Witch (13:10.23)
No! Am I just like in my own little bubble?

Megan Hamilton (13:14.469)
We're all in our own little bubbles. She's fabulous. yeah, no, can't even remember what I was going to say to that. Hi, I have ADHD. I think you do as well. It'll come to me in the middle of another sentence. So then I'll refer back to it then we'll get moving. But anyways, yeah, she had something to say about

Hana The Suburban Witch (13:27.818)
Yes, I do.

Megan Hamilton (13:40.571)
yeah, dinner parties. So she said like that she would be one of her people if you could have a dinner party with anybody I know.

Hana The Suburban Witch (13:48.399)
what a great answer!

Megan Hamilton (13:50.481)
Isn't it? And I was like, can I please come to that dinner party? Cause I a hundred percent would love that conversation. Okay. So one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you today, as you know, was because a couple of months ago, and I tried to find it. I couldn't find it, but I know it was on threads. think you'd mentioned ways to

Hana The Suburban Witch (13:53.014)
Yes.

Yes.

Megan Hamilton (14:14.415)
banish evil spirits. So just, mean, a little bit of a trigger warning, I guess. And I say this as somebody who used to feel very triggered by this. And I, you and I were talking before we started recording same for you. If the idea of evil spirits is really complicated for you, you might, I mean, you know, we'll be gentle for sure. And as Hannah has mentioned, to me privately, she walks people through this.

If you're ready to sort of take it on, know that we will, you know, be as, careful as, as we can. However, if the idea of it is just like too much for you, I've got a lot of other episodes. Go ahead, go back and listen to, to other ones. Cause this might not be the one for you, but anyway. Okay. So a couple months ago, Hannah had mentioned ways to banish evil spirits or like how to deal with them or how to protect yourself from them.

And I'd mentioned that I wasn't sure if I believed in evil spirits. So Hannah directed me to her podcast, which is called, which talks to listen to a chat with her and Michelle is it Belanger. Belanger. And I found it fascinating. One of the things that stick out for me was that she mentioned, Michelle, that the entity you might be feeling in your home is most often actually not an evil spirit.

Hana The Suburban Witch (15:21.378)
Balanjari.

Megan Hamilton (15:39.717)
but that they do exist and she's encountered them and helps to get rid of them. So can you talk about that a little bit, Hannah?

I'm still not entirely sure where I sit with this, but I do know that I can talk about it now. Whereas before the mention of it would just have me not sleeping for a week. And so, yeah, let's just get into it. You tell me from all of the things that I just kind of said, what is coming up for you straight out of the gate?

Hana The Suburban Witch (15:55.502)
Hana The Suburban Witch (16:07.757)
Hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (16:17.75)
Yeah, so I just want to address to anyone listening that by listening to this episode it will not invite anything to your home or into your life because I know that's what I used to fear about as well like I can't even learn about I can't even listen to anything or watch anything because it's going to encourage that in right it's gonna call it in but that's

Megan Hamilton (16:40.273)
So I'm not gonna lie, just before we started, got my black tourmaline and I was like, I'm just gonna put this on my computer just cause.

Hana The Suburban Witch (16:46.478)
You

So it's similar to I mean think about it if you listen to our money podcast does that just make money fall into your pockets Like it doesn't I wish right but no it doesn't it doesn't work like that Sometimes we wish manifesting would right and I do agree that where our attention flows That's where the energy goes but not in the way that similar to when people are worried especially

Megan Hamilton (16:59.427)
Mm-hmm, exactly. Mm-hmm. I wish.

Hana The Suburban Witch (17:18.734)
sidetrack. When people get into spirituality or New Age spirituality and get into manifesting and law of attraction, we can have this thing where we think if we think a bad thought is going to happen because we have to control our thoughts because we control our reality. I don't get behind that. I do think our thoughts are important but once you start to get into thought control that is a cult tactic and it it's snuck its way into

Megan Hamilton (17:37.221)
Me neither.

Hana The Suburban Witch (17:45.704)
many different religions and spiritual points of view. And the New Age mentality is especially ripe for cult manipulation from gurus and all sorts of things. And we see this like little, I've even got an episode on it called the alt-right, the Conspirituality.Alt-Right Pipeline because it is a very slippery slope. Once you start trying to control your thoughts, it is easier for others to control your thoughts and to control you and it goes from there. So we're not doing that.

That is not actually helpful for anyone. Awareness of thoughts is way better than control of thoughts. So listening to this will not invite anything in and I think a lot of the time we have the wrong idea on what a negative entity is or a demon or anything like that. Now I grew up evangelical. Spiritual warfare was preached about constantly, constantly and that doesn't end in the church because

When you leave the church and go into something like witchcraft or the new age psychic tarot space, you often bring it with you with excessive cleansing and warding and banishing. And sometimes that's necessary. And a lot of the time it's not. And a lot of the time people are, you know, get into the spiritual warfare of they're going to hex me and I'm going to do this. And it goes back and forth. It's the same story with a different hat on. And I don't

Megan Hamilton (19:10.993)
Hmm

Hana The Suburban Witch (19:11.352)
think it's always helpful. Now same within in the whole concept of entities and things. I do think there are sometimes some things out there but they are incredibly rare in terms of like actual true harm. And I don't think it is like the church teachers which was that every negative thought, mental illness, illness itself was a demon presenting itself. It's not like that. Right? Every...

Megan Hamilton (19:38.289)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (19:40.916)
Every spirit guide we talk to is not a demon whispering into our ears. Okay? So it depends a lot. A lot of this depends on what our actual belief system is and our worldview around spirituality. So when we teach on this, when I teach on this, it is tricky because not everybody believes in deities. Not everybody believes in spirit guides. Not everybody believes in a spirit team or a higher self, right? So we have these, these words that we use to describe things outside of us, things without a physical body.

that we may or may not communicate with and it's going to be something where you might have to sub in your word of choice a lot of the time. Personally I believe that we are all connected, we are part of a creator, a very large universal source energy that has split itself to experience itself in a multiple of ways and a way that that happens is with things like thought forms.

Megan Hamilton (20:20.657)
Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (20:40.334)
deities, spirits. So in a way it's kind of like yes all the gods exist right? They're all right. That's kind of my my personal mentality these days. These days. And thought forms are one way that if you don't know what a thought form is it's basically if even if for example Jesus was never a real person and never existed the amount of people that believe

Megan Hamilton (20:46.689)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Megan Hamilton (20:52.324)
Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (21:08.366)
him and pray to him, his energy is a thing now. So he is real because that energy, that entity has been created as a thought form by the collective. So thought forms are a thing. I do think spirits and entities and ghosts and all of that are, but they're not always in the classification of demon or super negative entity and a lot of the time they're actually here to help us and we get that misconstrued.

have a story, would you like a story?

Megan Hamilton (21:39.643)
Yes, please.

Hana The Suburban Witch (21:45.196)
There's, I've, I have had a few experiences and I think most people won't, but I'm one of those people that I have to experience stuff to teach about it. That's just my life. In human design, I'm a one three. I call this the learning the hard way to teach it. So I've had a couple of experiences that were really scary. I don't think that means everyone's going to.

To actually think I'm kind of primed for it But in hindsight I look back and like oh, I'm actually really grateful There was a there was actually a reason that that happened because it taught me X Y and Z it put me on this path It did this it did that so one that I want to talk about was a case where I even after years of experience I presumed that it was something negative and it actually took me talking to one of my dear friends more tell us who is a

medium and a necromancer and talking it out like I actually don't know what it is that I saw what was this thing and sort of realizing that it was actually helping me. So which yes the perception was this is bad and evil but it actually ended up being good. So I have this thing when I when I deeply meditate when I put myself more into that sort of trance state.

There's a few different things that can happen for people. One is they might find themselves prone to astral travel, right? Where they kind of anchor themselves in their body and then go on a little wander, little jaunt around wherever. People might do remote viewing, right? It's sort of this upwards energy. Remote viewing is more in our plane. Astral travel is definitely more celestial, goes up. I tend to do the opposite. I always often feel this like falling back motion and it feels like I'm almost going,

down into something different. Whenever I have experiences where I am connecting with my my deities or my guides or anything it is often in this place that looks to me like this big cavernous dark space you can't see the edges and then almost like a little platform that they'll walk out to and there's a big bridge between us and then we meet either on the bridge or I walk over to them.

Hana The Suburban Witch (24:08.524)
That's the image that comes to my mind when I am in communication. It is dark. It is... There's not a lot of stuff there. It's kind of like I've gone down, if that makes sense.

Megan Hamilton (24:18.917)
Yeah, who do you like to work with?

Hana The Suburban Witch (24:21.09)
So I personally work with Thoth, who is an Egyptian deity of the terror, of wisdom, of writers, of knowledge, mediator in between. have my beautiful little, one of my beautiful little Thoth statues here with me. And it's just this interesting way that this comes through. I also only communicate usually using a...

Megan Hamilton (24:38.817)
lovely. Mmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (24:50.056)
black scrying mirror as well which took me so long to get to actually use because I was so terrified of it for so long but it's all good now I've had no negative experiences but anyway so that's usually what happens I seem to sort of go down I guess if that's a good word I don't know if that's the right word but that's how it feels I never I'm never up doing astral travel stuff anyways yes so

Megan Hamilton (25:11.217)
That's where I tend to go.

Hana The Suburban Witch (25:14.83)
I think I have this habit of doing that. I am drawn to ancestor work. I am drawn to mediumship. I am drawn to using graveyard dirt in my stuff. Like I like that kind of thing. So it seems to be a little bit of a association with me as a person and my personality as well. So there was one time where I went to a antique store.

pulled up and I remember I was still, I just had a baby, I was still breastfeeding, I was in that state where you don't really get to do a lot yourself. And I said to my husband as we were driving past, said, pull in, I just need a moment, can I please just go and explore an antique store? Like I haven't done that in so long, do we have time? Like kids are napping in the back of the car, can I just have 10 minutes? He's like, yeah, go for it. So he stays in the car, I go inside, I'm having a great time, I love antique stores and...

Megan Hamilton (25:50.513)
Huh.

Hana The Suburban Witch (26:10.688)
I love the energy that they have. Now, normally I know very well that I need to shield myself when I go in because there is a lot of energy and that's just energy of people loving stuff, people memories, all sorts of things that come into an antique store. And normally I would just put up a little bubble type shield and wander through happily. Now I was breastfeeding and I have babies that don't sleep through the night until they're three. So I was a bit sleep deprived, forgot about it. Just like having a great time wandering through.

And then I thought it would be really fun to be like, let's do a little Instagram poll on what thing might be haunted. Right? So I would take a photo of something super creepy, like the, there was this really creepy rocking horse. And I was like, everyone will think that that's haunted, but I can tell there's like nothing on it. Right? So I'd take a photo and say haunted or not, people would vote. It was really fun. And then I'd be like, know, this one, and then I was

opening up and sensing you know this one does actually have something there or this one doesn't and it was good fun and then there was this like a dresser this old gorgeous like walnut colored dresser and I thought that is gorgeous and I put my hand on it and immediately knew that I probably shouldn't have in the state that I was this like open vulnerable state I put my hand out went no instant ick like I feel ick that's whoops I've made an error

Megan Hamilton (27:35.402)
Hana The Suburban Witch (27:35.726)
And so, yeah, I went there. That's probably the only thing in this store that I definitely shouldn't have touched. Now, as a little side note, I've done this in like a natural history museum as well. It's just like, oh, I wonder what I pick up from, you know, touching this animal. Again, like, ick, dizzy, horrible feeling, not happy. So I don't do that in museums anymore. And also in antique stores, I'm definitely more careful. So this was a learning moment for me.

Megan Hamilton (27:49.445)
Hmm, right.

Hana The Suburban Witch (28:04.782)
But I kind of just went, you know what? It's fine. I'm a witch. I can handle this. It was just a momentary lapse of judgment, but I'll wander out now. Wandered out and sort of started immediately going, Oh, I feel like I'm getting a headache now. I should have shielded. Silly me. Oh, I'll get the car. Let's continue home. So we get home and I said to my husband, I just need to have a bit of a nap. I'm not feeling quite right. So I went and had a nap and again, felt that sort of dropping down into sleep.

and then had this pretty intense nightmare. Like I was walking through these caves, it was really dark and it was just, nothing happened in the nightmare, it just wasn't good. And I woke up with this pretty bad migraine and I thought, okay, something's up. So then wandered out and he said, you know what, I'm not feeling very good. I'm gonna lie down. So he went and lay down and this was, I laid down in the spare bed, so he lies down in the spare bed as well. I said, all right, I'll hold the fort.

he has a nightmare too. And I thought hmm okay nightmares aren't contagious but something's up. I've messed up here and so thought okay I need to I need to do something about this. There's something that's come in with me and I don't know what it is but it doesn't feel like a human spirit type of thing. I don't think this was just a haunted object. So I was like okay let's uh let's figure this out. So what I did was I lay down on

couch in my lounge and I do something that I term it psychic surgery it could be anything else but basically going into a meditative state and imagining that I step out of my body and then turn around and look at myself lying there on the couch this sounds a lot simpler than it is to actually do it's cut it's quite tricky to even just visualize turning around and looking at yourself but if you can get it it's very very helpful

Megan Hamilton (29:58.275)
Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (30:00.568)
So doing that and then usually what I do is almost like a body scan just see if there's anything there and then imagine I have like a net that I go from my feet all the way out pull it through my body to collect anything that shouldn't be there. Right? Very helpful type of visualization it can give you a lot of information. But when I did this I immediately saw that there was this thing on the back of my neck and I thought huh that's weird that's not supposed to be there right?

Megan Hamilton (30:28.593)
Huh, that's weird.

Hana The Suburban Witch (30:32.538)
unusual. Now it didn't look like anything you know demonic or anything. It looked like if anyone has seen any of the Studio Ghibli movies, especially Hell's Moving Castle which is my favorite, the Witch of the Waste has these like black globby people. They're kind of like inky. This is... yes. So this sort of inky wormy thing is what it looked like.

Megan Hamilton (30:53.286)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're in Totoro as well, aren't they? Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (31:02.186)
inky wormy thing attached to the back of my neck. I thought okay that's not supposed to be there. I'm also I'm not really scared of it but I feel like it's causing a bit of this like I've picked up whatever this is. So what I did in the visualization was I imagined picking it up off myself, taking it outside into my yard, digging a hole, putting it there and saying a little prayer to Mother Earth just like hey this isn't I don't need this can you

please recycle this or put this back to where it needs to go. Then I imagine putting like a piece of cardboard just on top and a brick to sort of hold it down. And then I've come out of my meditation, opened my eyes, like sat up from the couch and my view from the couch was straight out the door to the backyard. And standing, this is the creepiest part, but it's so cool. Standing in that spot where I had just visualized burying something and I had a big backyard. So this was like crazy that something right there.

was an Ibis. So a sacred white Ibis, which is this, the sign of Thoth. That's his way of showing up. I had never seen an Ibis in my backyard before. was like, what are you doing? Right? Where I just imagined doing that. So I thought, okay, he's helping. What a big like validation sign. Okay. That's so cool. But also what the hell was that? And because I hadn't come across it before and I've, I've read extensively, I've like never seen a weird inky worm thing.

Megan Hamilton (32:08.386)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Hamilton (32:23.653)
huh.

Hana The Suburban Witch (32:31.414)
So I've called my friend Mortellus and I said, yo, this weird thing happened. Have you ever seen this? You're a medium. You work with an animatician and necromancer. Like you work in this space. Have you ever heard of this? And I don't, can't recall if they actually had seen it before or heard of it, but they gave some really interesting advice around it, which was it sounds like this was a, what is the word? I'm going to lose it. know. Psycho pump.

Sounds like this was a psychopath, which is kind of I think it's a Greek word. The way we were talking about it and what it came across as was almost like a protective spirit, as in it scares you to stop you going further. It waits at the gates of something to scare you away, right? It's like here is a nightmare. Here is like all this stuff. You don't go any further. You possibly would like your subconscious or your

Megan Hamilton (33:17.759)
you

Hana The Suburban Witch (33:30.562)
your spirit is traversing where it's not supposed to go, this is not for you, go away. Like it's this big sort of scare you off energy, right? So I could have very much, if I hadn't been attacking it with curiosity and some of my skills that I already had in my arsenal, I probably would have been like, my gosh, I'm possessed, there's a demon in my house, right? That's where I probably would have gone, especially if it had happened a few years earlier.

But in this way, going with curiosity, like, what is that? That's strange. I haven't seen that before. Let's look into that. You know, it's a headache and a nightmare is not really the end of the world, but it was a sign that there was something happened. I'm paying attention to that. But the fact that it's like, OK, this is showing us that we're going a little bit too far. We're not supposed to be here. Let's scare you off. And so that isn't a negative entity. That's a helpful one. Right?

Megan Hamilton (34:14.459)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Hamilton (34:25.253)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (34:28.788)
So I think that's a really good way for us to look at a lot of these experiences that people might have and think okay is this actually trying to harm or is this actually trying to help? Have we gone somewhere we shouldn't? Is this like a an alarm? Right? Little siren going

Megan Hamilton (34:49.425)
Um, first of all, thanks for sharing that story. And, oh my God, uh, as most of us who have been in the throes of early motherhood, no, like there is really, you're vulnerable no matter what, you know, you just, you haven't slept. I remember once hallucinating my daughter's face all over the bed and I knew I was awake. She was sleeping for once. And I said to my husband, I said,

Hana The Suburban Witch (34:55.63)
you

Hana The Suburban Witch (35:04.535)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Hamilton (35:18.681)
I need you to listen to me right now so that you can say this to me in the morning. But I am hallucinating Audrey's face on everything. And I still remember and I knew that that's what was happening. But I mean, you're just you're just in a completely different. So what I love about this story, because it's obviously incredibly creepy, but also incredible. Like you said, Ibis. And I'm like an Ibis because that would

Hana The Suburban Witch (35:34.189)
Yes.

Megan Hamilton (35:48.493)
not happen in Canada. don't think we have I was hanging around for one.

Hana The Suburban Witch (35:49.998)
Look, we have them in Australia. They are, I want to say affectionately, but it's not really affectionately known as bin chickens. And as someone who works with thought, I don't like the term and I try and teach my kids, no, it's not a bin chicken. That is a sacred white ibis.

Megan Hamilton (36:17.924)
doing the work of the good. What is the card that has the ibis in it? Is it the...

Hana The Suburban Witch (36:19.639)
Yes.

Hana The Suburban Witch (36:25.496)
temperance. no, yeah. No, the star, It's the star.

Megan Hamilton (36:28.241)
It is the start, yeah, thank you. So that's actually really cool too.

Hana The Suburban Witch (36:35.342)
Ruled by Aquarius, which is my rising sign, which is fun.

Megan Hamilton (36:38.257)
Mmm, my massage. So, okay, so what I love about this is, so my...

Hana The Suburban Witch (36:41.55)
No, no,

Megan Hamilton (36:49.185)
feelings and to circle back to something you said right now because they change, you know, as I, my practices, my experiences of the world shift and change as I grow as well. And so I, for a while have thought that because we're humans and human bodies, our experiences of anything that's outside of the material realm

are going to be flawed and they're going to be interpreted through our lenses, which are very specific to us, all the way through our ancestors, to our own lived experiences, to our own understanding, to our own words and language. There's this podcast called the Telepathy Tapes. when I was, yeah, I know. And when I was listening to it, I was like, yes, of course, like this.

Hana The Suburban Witch (37:38.67)
I love that one.

Megan Hamilton (37:45.231)
you know, Jesus exists and so does Allah. so like every entity that we've all come to know, whether we have experienced it directly or it's in the collective unconscious or conscious, it exists because we created it or we, you know, co-created it. And so,

Hana The Suburban Witch (37:59.266)
Mm.

Megan Hamilton (38:11.537)
Several years ago when I was chatting with another friend who's a psychic medium, she doesn't believe in evil spirits at all. And this is what was able to turn me around from feeling like super, could not handle any, even talk of any kind of spirit to feeling more comfortable with it because she believes that it's our

nervous system response to things that gives us information. so back in like the Victorian era when they were into like ghosts with chains and stuff, she said they just didn't have any kind of way of understanding other than this feels bad. So this must be evil. And it was, you know, very much more directly Judeo-Christian world, let's just say. And so it would be like, it's

Hana The Suburban Witch (38:59.319)
Mmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (39:06.979)
Yes.

Megan Hamilton (39:09.817)
it doesn't make me feel good like an angel's going to make me feel. So it's probably going to be some kind of, you know, a lost spirit or some kind of evil entity. And that to me made sense. Do you know what I mean? Like that to me made sense, especially if, you know, there's a lot of worldviews that anything beyond is sort of just pure love in lots of different forms, right? So

Hana The Suburban Witch (39:35.202)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Megan Hamilton (39:37.559)
that made me feel okay and better and then to be able to start exploring it to the point where then I can have this conversation with you and not be yeah knocked out for the next three weeks. With my husband calling you going, hi, thanks. We've got a lot going on in the house right now. So what I love about this too is

Hana The Suburban Witch (39:44.418)
Mm, terrified.

Megan Hamilton (40:05.265)
I like the first thing that comes to me is in terms of that dresser.

Hana The Suburban Witch (40:11.874)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Hamilton (40:14.043)
So what the hell is in that dresser, right? That this helper wanted to come through and be like, no more, like I'm gonna make you feel icky. is it that like, would you, you know, do you have any thoughts on that? But in my mind, I'm like, okay, well, it's cause you would have absorbed some kind of memory of something. Yeah, you go for it.

Hana The Suburban Witch (40:22.37)
you

Hana The Suburban Witch (40:36.142)
Mm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (40:40.12)
from my understanding at the time, because I didn't stop and explore further, right? I was just like, nope, out. And what I've, in hindsight, I just think I was too open, right? I'd almost lost the boundaries, if that makes sense, that can keep us safe. So there's that aspect, that then I think.

Megan Hamilton (40:46.127)
Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

Megan Hamilton (40:55.921)
Good night.

Megan Hamilton (41:04.017)
You mean like conscious boundaries, sane boundaries.

Hana The Suburban Witch (41:07.906)
Yeah, almost like psychic boundaries. Psychic boundaries or whatever you want to term it. I had just kind of, I'm already sleep deprived and quite open and like psychically open anyway. But then I hadn't done my usual protective shielding. I'm consciously going, what is here? want to almost like read on this. And it's just like it, it just went a little bit too far. And then something was like, whoa, whoa, Maybe.

part of my spirit or something was going where it shouldn't, no, we're going to stop that, right? We're going to come in and keep you where you're supposed to be. That's how I interpret that one. And so I look at that whole experience now as really helpful, right? Because I've learned a really valuable lesson, even though I'd learned that lesson before, sometimes we need to learn it again, right? Really, really helpful lesson. I've learned something new and interesting about spirits. I've had validation from

Megan Hamilton (41:43.867)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Megan Hamilton (41:52.367)
Hmm

Hana The Suburban Witch (42:05.42)
my deity in a really physical form that blew me away. So all of these things combine it to make it such a cool thing that happened. Like what an amazing experience, right? And I also think it's a great way to be like, you know what? I can't have all the answers myself. We do need to talk to other people. Sometimes we do need to reach out to friends or experts in this space just to be like, yo, am I, what is going on here? I need a little bit of help because sometimes we

we get to a point where we're like, oh, I shouldn't have to ask anyone. But no, I'm always open to like, other people are gonna know more than me in many different things, right? So I think that's also that vulnerability of being able to ask people is such a good thing. And I'm glad that I can do that. And it shows me that it's worth doing, right? We don't wanna be in our own little bubble. Cause if I hadn't asked or if I had just made the presumption that this was something really negative.

Megan Hamilton (42:44.534)
yeah. Yep.

Hana The Suburban Witch (43:05.118)
probably would have really scared me and it would have almost like left a little bit of a scar but now I see this as a growth point.

Megan Hamilton (43:09.67)
Hmm

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, a lot of things came from that for you. The IBIS part is just like absolutely, absolutely wild. I love it, I love it, I love it. Okay, so switching tacks a little bit. I know that you practice psychic divination and you have a course on it. Can you tell us,

Hana The Suburban Witch (43:26.275)
mindless.

Hana The Suburban Witch (43:35.64)
Yes.

Megan Hamilton (43:39.537)
Tell us a little bit about your course, because I've always been curious in how people help other people cultivate their gifts.

Hana The Suburban Witch (43:48.108)
Yes, so I am just for context, I am a Virgo Sun and my Venus and Mercury are also in Virgo, so there's a lot of practicality in the way that I teach. It's very systemized, right? But I also like to go deep, I don't want to keep it to surface level. So what I've done with this course is I've broken it down into three different types of

divination. So I basically went okay, divination as a whole is a humongous topic. What is a way to classify it? And I came up with there are three different types. There is simple divination. That is any form of divination. Now divination for anyone listening is a, it's a tool or it's a method or it's a system that we use to find out information that would not otherwise be available to us. Whether that is psychologically.

You're just using it as a psychological tool like the Tarot. A lot of people use it psychologically like a inkblot test. Or if it is psychically, mediumistically, connecting with gods, deities, whoever it is, right? However you want to get that information, it's using a tool to get there. Whereas psychic, just in general, we're not using a tool. So this course combines both. So we can learn some of these, you want to use both. You want to use your psychic senses and the tool. The tool helps you get there a little bit quicker. So...

What I've done is I've got simple divination that is divination that provides a yes or no response or a simple response that doesn't you don't need to really learn anything to do it right. Biblio mancy is one of those we used to do that in the church that is where they would say flip open your bible to get God's You flip it over and go yeah yes and you can use any book to do that.

Megan Hamilton (45:35.377)
Mm-hmm. Right, with your finger. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I love doing that. Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (45:45.046)
at any time, right? And just sit with it and what does it mean? But you don't need me to teach you that, but you might need me to go, hey, you can do Billy Omansey. And you go, okay, yes. So it's just sort of around that. Another one would be flipping a coin, right? Heads means yes, tails means no, or you've got, I've got a literal yes, no coin. It's, you don't need to tell anyone how to interpret that. You ask a question, you flip the coin. It's pretty easy, it's simple. It's binary.

Another one would be a pendulum. So in that module, do go, okay, so pendulum, it's a form of simple divination. And you still might need a little bit of assistance in how to, how to buy one, how to pick the one that's right for you, how to, I want to say set it up, but I don't know if that's the right way, how to understand what your yes and your no is. So there's a few different methods that you can get that. And then, you know, how to interpret it from there. And there's two different ways we can do that as well. There's one where we hold it and one where we don't.

you're communicating with spirits you want to communicate with the spirit whether you're doing paranormal investigations or you want to use it to communicate with the deity and you're like I don't want to even be touching this thing well then tie it to the inside of a jar and put the jar on a table right yes yes but then the way I see the pendulums is similar to if you've ever hmm who do they start with a K

Megan Hamilton (46:57.913)
Right, so that you can trust yourself that you're not manipulating it.

Hana The Suburban Witch (47:11.98)
You know the one where you do like muscle testing, kinesiology. Kinesiology where your body knows the answer before your brain does. That's how I see pendulums. It's using that idiopathic, what is the word? I'm really good at words, right? I know them obviously.

Megan Hamilton (47:25.425)
OHHHH! Y-yes.

Well, I'm no help because I'm in the throes of perimenopause and my vivance wore off two hours ago, so words are not available to me. It's precognition.

Hana The Suburban Witch (47:33.838)
Yeah. But it uses that idiomotor, idiomotor, it uses the idiomotor, which is really good for people who are neurodivergent, right? It gets us out of our head and like our body, we pick up on stuff in our bodies. So that's the way, cause everyone says, you know, you're just moving it. So we're not consciously, but subconsciously. And I'm trusting that.

Megan Hamilton (48:00.133)
Yep. Right.

Hana The Suburban Witch (48:02.294)
and it's a shortcut to get the answer. But still, even with a pendulum, it's really going to be a yes, no, or a maybe, right? I have also taught as well, it's really fun, is you get a small picture of a map and you go over it with your pendulum. So you go side to side and slowly move up the page or down the page, however you want. And if you get a yes response over a certain area, perhaps that's where you had a lot like a past life.

Right? Or you could use it to look at where should I travel next? Right? You could do so many cool things. I also like to use pendulums when I lose my phone or something like that. I'll walk through the house and I'll be like, is it in this room? Is it in this room? And the actual, my favorite way to use my pendulum, my absolute favorite way is I go over to my house plants and I say, are you happy here in this spot? Is this a good spot for you?

Megan Hamilton (48:39.493)
And you'll be like...

Megan Hamilton (48:45.838)
Hana The Suburban Witch (48:57.71)
Do you need water? Do you need something else? And then I moved to the next ones. So when I bought a new plan, like, okay, are you happy? No. Okay. Over here, this corner. Oh, look, it likes it. So, and my, my plans are so happy. They're so happy. So I think that's a really fun, interesting way to use it, but it's still just simple divination. Right.

Megan Hamilton (49:15.473)
I love that. Where I usually get messed up a little bit with when I use a pendulum is sometimes I just, not, I can't think of the question that I want to ask or like how I want to ask it. Do you ever ask, so you say you do ancestral work. Did I interrupt you in the middle of talking about something? No, okay. So sometimes I ask if somebody will come through and

Hana The Suburban Witch (49:37.121)
No, no.

Megan Hamilton (49:44.337)
speak to me through the pendulum, right? And then they'll say yes or no, if they're going to or they won't do it. And then sometimes I ask if there's like some somebody that wants something to come through, right? And then I have to try to figure out if I know who they are, if I don't, because I know several lines back on either ends of this is the pointing in the directions where I feel them. You know, how far back we go and

Hana The Suburban Witch (49:46.382)
Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (49:59.522)
Mm-hmm.

Megan Hamilton (50:15.505)
it's always interesting when somebody I don't know their name wants to come through and bring in a message. And usually it's fairly benign. Like it's not like, you know, get out of there immediately. It's just more like, but one time my great grandmother came through and told me to go look in the ancestral box that my aunt gave to me. And I was like,

Hana The Suburban Witch (50:19.982)
Mmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (50:30.441)
Okay.

Megan Hamilton (50:44.849)
Okay, you know when you're like, really right now? Like I kind of have to do other things. And you're like, okay, I better not ignore this. And then I found this page that I hadn't seen before that my grandmother had written out her life story that told me that my great grandmother, the person who had come through, had been an allocutionist before she got married, which is a public speaker, which is what I teach in my other life.

Hana The Suburban Witch (51:13.39)
That's so cool. That is so cool. I love that. I love that. Yes. Yeah, that is such a cool way to do it. I have had before where I was shuffling my cards and I got this image of my great-grandmother in like just sort of pop through and I was like, what are you doing here? You are very Christian. And I literally heard

Megan Hamilton (51:14.865)
Isn't that wild?

Megan Hamilton (51:18.929)
Yep. And I was like, okay.

Megan Hamilton (51:37.649)
Right.

Hana The Suburban Witch (51:41.612)
I want to help you with this." And I'm like, do you actually? Because that would be odd, I think, right? You were Dutch Reform Church, Christian, very long time. And so I was, you know, in the middle of using my cards. So said, okay, if I'm just going to validate this, if you do want to help me, show me the High Priestess. So I shuffled, spread, picked it random and it was the High Priestess. And I was like, all right, cool. Thank you. I'll make you a coffee and...

Well, let's do this. Yeah. So Tarot, I was gonna say Tarot is a, the second type. So I have three types of divination. There's the simple divination, which is that yes, no answers. Then we go into what I call classic or systemized divination. So this is things like palmistry, Tarot, Oracle, and astrology. So it's things that

Megan Hamilton (52:11.505)
and then an ibis flew in and you're like, okay, we're ready to go. Wild, wild, Don't, mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (52:40.172)
There is a system and it's the classic ones that everyone goes to, right? But there's a system that you have to learn to do it. Even though we can learn to read cards intuitively without needing the guidebook, there's still a system behind that, right? There's still the number meanings. There is still the suit meanings, especially with Tarot. When it comes to oracles, the creator has still put something there, right? There's still meanings behind it and learning that is going to help us and we can weave it together with our intuition.

Megan Hamilton (53:05.04)
Yeah.

Hana The Suburban Witch (53:09.642)
So same with astrology, right? Yes, there are bazillion different types of astrology that we can do, but understanding that, you know, Mars pretty much has the same meaning, whether you're doing Vedic astrology or modern astrology or traditional astrology, right? Like it has its meaning already set in. You can't just go in and give it a new meaning, right? So there's a system, there's history, you have to learn something to do it. But once you've learned to, even if you're not psychic or intuitive at all, which

Megan Hamilton (53:30.257)
You

Hana The Suburban Witch (53:38.846)
think everybody is. But even if you're like you know what I just want to not have to think about my intuition or anything or tune in or connect you can learn the system and just do it. You don't have to have anything else there right? You can be like in the Tarot this means this done. So it's really really good if you're questioning whether or not you're psychic or intuitive or you're still working on that and not trusting it yet or you just want to be able to do it really quickly like that's a really great way.

learn a type of divination. Then we have what I call free-flowing divination. Now this is like scrying so that could be fire scrying, smoke scrying which is capnomancy, wax scrying which is caromancy, this mirror scrying, aniromancy that's dream divination, reading clouds, reading the droplets of water on your shower window, reading the way the leaves are moving together or nithomancy that's bird divination.

So similar to like seeing the Ibis and knowing it has a meaning there, right? So I practice a lot of ornithomancy with specific birds means specific things and the way they fly or how many there are means specific things. So there are a lot of ways that we can use this, but there's not as many rules. Like even T-leaf reading, a lot of it is subjective. A lot of it is based on your own symbol dictionary that you've created with practice and knowledge around.

universal and personalized symbolism. So I have a whole module on symbolism because it is so crucial to understanding that sort of free flowing and also some of the classic divination as well, right? In Tarot you need to know symbolism. So it's really fascinating. I think that's my favorite module is the one on symbolism, especially because in my previous life, AKA a few years back, I was doing interior design and I've learnt colour psychology from the realm of interior design.

Megan Hamilton (55:21.76)
Mhm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (55:33.132)
And that is color symbolism and color magic. And it all wraps in together. So I've brought those sorts of things into it as well. Of course, everything that I teach is always, there's extra information you can read up on. There's always going to be resources and all sorts of stuff that you can go and find. They're very well researched, but it's really fun. So I've got the three different types of divination. There's a whole module on your

Psychic basics, right? Which is the very first one that's grounding shielding meditation all the things that you really need to basically learn before you jump into everything and then Yeah, we've got the actual psychic senses as well. So Claire aliens Claire Gustin's Claire voyants Claire audience all of these things how to tune into them how to figure out which one's your strongest skill because it's not always what we think and Sometimes we have downplayed

the one that comes through the strongest to us because it's so normal that we think everyone can do it.

Megan Hamilton (56:35.191)
Mm-hmm. Yep, that comes up a lot doesn't it for people when they're like I didn't realize I had no idea that other people didn't do this. Mm-hmm. Yep

Hana The Suburban Witch (56:38.22)
Yes.

Hana The Suburban Witch (56:43.212)
Yes, yes, and I've had so many students come through. One didn't realize she was an animal communicator. She literally thought everyone knew what their animals were trying to say and was just ignoring them. You know, like her bird would be going off. She's like, he just wants me to let him out. And, you know, the partner's like, how do you know that? She's like, cause the way you do it, surely you can hear that, right? Like.

It's that attunement to animals. so going through this course, was like, my goodness, right? I didn't realize that this was actually a skill. I've had, what did, one of my students really was like, I'm coming into this because I want to learn the tarot and I'm going to be so good at the tarot. The tarot is going to be my thing. And it ended up being T. Liefreading that they were like, whoops, this is my thing. Tarot, maybe not, but T. Liefreading is my jam. So.

Megan Hamilton (57:37.115)
Stay with me.

Hana The Suburban Witch (57:39.232)
It's really interesting being exposed to a variety of divination methods because we don't get that usually. And just being able to go, actually this really vibes with me or this works so easy for me. Super helpful, super helpful.

Megan Hamilton (57:52.293)
Hmm. Yeah, I love that you lay them all out because you're right. mean, Tarot usually finds people in its own way and then you're like, okay, this is, I'm going to learn this or I've got it over here. I pull it out every once in a while. But to have the opportunity to check in with all, because I think if somebody's going to take your course, they're already fairly open to this being a potential thing for them, right?

Hana The Suburban Witch (58:00.43)
Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (58:19.746)
Yes.

Megan Hamilton (58:20.665)
And so to be able to then try out different things and be like, what do you mean nobody else or other people don't do this? That's so wild that you give them the opportunity to try different things and really see what's already naturally a gift. And then beyond that, what are you interested in and drawn to? And then how can you practice that if it's something that feels kind of fun and exciting?

Hana The Suburban Witch (58:46.978)
Yeah, and that's the start of the course. The thing is, I'm like, you have to be having fun. If it's not fun, if you take it too seriously, you block yourself. Right? You start to doubt, doubt and fear and seriousness are the worst blocks. Right? We want, we want it to be fun and exciting. And when you're excited, you will be shocked at what comes through with clarity. It's amazing. Absolutely amazing.

Megan Hamilton (58:53.573)
Yes. Yes.

Megan Hamilton (59:04.678)
Ahem.

Megan Hamilton (59:11.481)
Yep, I love that so much. I was editing an episode that will have come out before this one, but we were talking about the Page of Cups and the King of Cups. And I think that's what that fish is. It's the reminder of even when you're the page, mean, when you're the page, it's easy, right? He has that fun, I think of the fish as silliness.

even when you're the king, have to bring that back in order to access the intuition that comes from water, that comes from emotions, right? Like you can't be, you could, know, because he looks so serious as he's sitting there on the throne, but really that fish is showing up to be like, actually you got to keep it light or else you can't let anything through.

Hana The Suburban Witch (59:49.676)
Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:00:01.986)
You know, I love that because so I'm creating, writing a tarot deck for writers based on writing tropes and character tropes. And for the court cards, which usually so tricky for people, I have given each of the cards like a character trope that we see portrayed in film and literature. And for my King of Cups card, he's my wise old man with a beard, which we immediately go, okay, Gandalf.

Megan Hamilton (01:00:16.805)
Yeah

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:00:30.798)
Dumbledore or whoever those that wise old man with a beard trope that we see over and over and over which yes They can be quite serious and they usually know quite a lot quite wise But they're also silly and whimsical Right like Gandalf has his fireworks like, you know He kind of pokes a little bit of fun like there's that whimsy aspect that comes in with that So I think that's a really wonderful little connection there

Megan Hamilton (01:00:45.051)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes!

Megan Hamilton (01:00:56.689)
Mm, yes. I know a lot of people who are definitely going to want to get their hands on that deck. Okay, I am very cognizant of the time and I feel like I could talk to you for another hour, but I wanna be respectful. So we'll have, of course, all of the different places where you can find Hannah and access her course and her podcast. Hannah.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:01:11.011)
you

Megan Hamilton (01:01:24.857)
Would you mind leaving us with a simple, and maybe I'm saying this, I mean, I know for me when I do sort of protection, it's fairly simple. It's kind of just like, okay, I put up my shield, right? Could you help people understand how they might do that if they're going into a place? So for example, I was at a tarot conference in October. immediately you can like,

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:01:39.874)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Megan Hamilton (01:01:53.681)
you just walk in, you're like, okay, right? And it's amazing, but it's just like, if I'm going to get anything done, I'm going to have to, you know, have some boundaries, just like you do in your real life, just like you do with communication with your people, you need to have energetic boundaries. Can you leave us with a simple way that you might suggest that we could practice that?

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:02:17.462)
Yeah, I will explain it the way I explain it to my eight-year-old because she is very open and sensitive, my little Pisces, and we recently went to Egyptian, discovering ancient Egypt exhibit at the museum, which is very cool. Like they had mummies there and it was, it was very cool, very, cool. And as soon as we walked in, she said, mom, this is too much.

Megan Hamilton (01:02:37.361)
Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:02:47.438)
Like it wasn't super crowded and we'd been in the museum space and that was fine But as soon as we walked into that exhibit it was too much and I knew she was picking up they had magical talismans they had Actual mummies they had all sorts of you know sarcophagi and Inscriptions and it was I was in heaven, but she very quickly communicated that mom. This is too much Okay, sweetheart

I'm going to ask you to close your eyes for just a quick second and imagine that your feet have like sticky Velcro under them. Okay. So your shoes are sticky Velcro on the ground. Just that simple. Sometimes I might say to people, imagine there's a hook hooking into the carpet. If there's no carpet, sticky Velcro feet or like sticky goo on your shoes. What that does, if you visualize that your energy goes straight to your feet. It is, it's not

grounding in the way that you would ground before spell work. It is not grounding in a way that you would clear yourself of energy, but it is quick and it is effective and it's a good way to get out of this like head space and psychic space right and straight down to your feet. So it does it centers your energy and it grounds your energy in a very quick easy way. And I just said anytime we walk into a room you have to quickly imagine that so each separate room we walk into you've got the sticky feet.

then continue on. Take a deep breath, stick your feet, continue on. That's just a quick one. So then what you also need to do is imagine that you are inside one of those bubbles that people roll down hills in and anything will just bounce off you. You will bounce off everything, everything bounce off you. You are safe and protected on that inside. So for her she's like okay and she'd close her eyes, picture it and like can you see it in your head and she's like yep like great.

every time we walk into a room because it is hard to hold that visualization without consistent practice. So every time you walk into a room, just reimagine it. And they're not super big rooms. So I thought that's enough for her to move through the space, forget, walk into the next one, reset it up. And the more you reset it up, the stronger it gets anyway. So that is what helped her through it. And we've noticed this with her a few times, you know, we walk into an old bookstore or something and suddenly she's like, I don't want to go in.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:05:10.488)
And she's very sensitive to that energy. Like I'm not going in. I don't want to go in and she'll shield and stay outside with one of us. So it's very interesting. I like to use shielding methods like that. If I'm going into places like an ancient Egypt museum exhibit, if you're doing that a lot, for example, if you go, whenever I go and buy my crystals wholesale, there's this humongous wholesale.

Megan Hamilton (01:05:32.293)
for example.

Megan Hamilton (01:05:39.508)
yeah, yeah, yeah. I know it's so crazy. my gosh. Yeah.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:05:40.724)
store and I walk in and it's like a wave hit me. So anything that's too much, whether it's too much of a good thing or too much of something historical or just energy, right? So big crystal shops, wholesale ones, just straight away I'm like I have to shield. Anything with like fossils or like as I said earlier like natural history museum, that kind of thing. Also hospitals. Big time.

Megan Hamilton (01:06:02.33)
you

Megan Hamilton (01:06:08.069)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:06:09.666)
Now a lot of people ask me about cemeteries and graveyards. Honestly, I don't really bother with shielding when I'm there. There's not a lot going on in cemeteries and graveyards. The one thing I do do is I walk in backwards and I walk out backwards and I leave a little coin offering as I do. And this was taught to me by a voodoo practitioner in New Orleans after I did have an issue down there. And that was basically a way that

Megan Hamilton (01:06:28.046)
interesting.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:06:38.242)
You didn't come and you didn't leave. You never came, you never left. it's just, I've taught my kids, people probably look at us weird, I don't care. It's just a little thing we do just in case. aside from that, they're generally pretty quiet. Unless it's the New Orleans ones, which are very intense because there's so many visitors, there's so many people. Well, a lot of them are shut now, but the ones in the past that you could go into, lots of energy.

Megan Hamilton (01:06:41.196)
eeee

Megan Hamilton (01:07:05.265)
And the history of, yeah, and that.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:07:07.338)
Yes, yes. So depending on which one you go to, like I was at Oxford last year in the UK, there was one particular room where I had to shield the whole time and I don't know why it was just that room. The rest of the place was pretty good. So you just have to sort of feel into it when in doubt. If it's old shield, you'll be fine. But sometimes you can use if the bubble one doesn't work. I like to imagine I'm wearing a suit of armor made of black obsidian. It's a really good one, especially for hospitals.

Megan Hamilton (01:07:36.539)
That is a really good one. I'm just looking at my giant obsidian up there. Okay, thank you for that. thank you. And so folks who are listening, if that's new to you, just practice it. And there's kind of, you know, there's no right, there's no wrong way of doing it. It's kind of like when you do it, you're doing it. And it can be very helpful to just keep yourself grounded and not absorb everything that.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:07:55.5)
Yes.

Megan Hamilton (01:08:06.225)
happens to be coming your way. Okay, thank you so much.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:08:07.948)
Yes, also good with like toxic people or bosses or things like that.

Megan Hamilton (01:08:14.353)
Yes, yep. there's so many ways of shielding with people, especially. Okay, Hannah, this has been so much fun. I feel like I could talk to you for honestly like another two hours and maybe we'll get to. But you can find all of the information and takeaways from today's episode in the show notes or at embracingenchantment.com.

Hana The Suburban Witch (01:08:24.558)
Hmm.

Megan Hamilton (01:08:44.145)
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Hana The Suburban Witch (01:09:31.704)
Thank you for having me.