Amy Pons: Unlock the Magic

Megan (00:12.138)
I'm Megan Hamilton and this is the Embracing Enchantment Podcast. I learned about today's guest from my friend and client Shulamit, who thought we would really like each other. She's a former corporate executive turned transformational coach and healer, founder of Unlock the Magic and hostess of the Women Making Moves Podcast. Welcome Amy Pons.

Thank you. It makes me laugh to hear turn, turned into something else because I actually, it's like, I was always this and I didn't know how to, it just wasn't a thing when I was a kid. Like I want to be a healer. Like that wasn't a thing, you know, but I always, a lot of people from my corporate world are like, what? You're a healer now? I'm like, well, it's not really now, always.

Yeah, I just figured it out. I like that. I like that a lot. Okay, so I'm going to begin by shuffling my tarot deck as I do for each episode. And as I'm shuffling, I've been so curious about the work that you do, because we have a lot of intersections and leaving corporate and embracing our spirituality. So I'm wondering if you could tell me a little bit about

I remembered. Yeah, I remembered.

Megan (01:37.4)
how you found yourself in your current business.

You know, I, I often actually see my spirit guide, the Namcester is kind of in like a huddle or a scrum. like, back when I was starting to stir a little bit, and this was about almost a decade ago, I was deep into corporate, but I was like, wait, I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm a really powerful activator. I don't know what that means yet.

But I felt the urge to feel into more. So luckily, I had the opportunity to become the Women's Employee Resource Group leader head at my corporate job. And I was like, my unique power is bringing women together to experience the full spectrum of what we want to feel into or what we're experiencing that day and stepping outside of the copy paste. And almost like...

would feel this visceral yumminess of a mixture of like sacred rage and ancestral wisdom when I got all of these like 1500 women in a room and we would all get together and talk about not woo stuff, you know, like we were talking about like, I don't know, stupid shit like executive presence or something. But no offense to anybody. that's, but it kind of, I was like,

I love being in a room with women who actually, by any degree, feel into their, like what they already knew in their bodies. And so anyway, long story short, kind of, that was filling my cup for the next few years. I was doing my day job, crushing it. It was fine. Not, you know, the day job wasn't filling my cup, but the women's ERG was. Well, then in 22,

Amy (03:37.974)
I got promoted kind of one last time in corporate and that's when my guides scrummed up and they're like, okay, what are we going to give to her so that she remembers that her innate abilities are not only coming up to surface or coming back, but also, hey, remember what you just felt for three years in your ERG? You're meant to do that out in the world. again, so.

I picture, I've actually seen my guys and ancestors and angels in like a scrum being like, wait, blue 42, you know, whatever, and calling out plays. And what that meant for me in my 3D was a psychological abuse in the workplace. And I describe it this way very intentionally because it's like, I can look back at this now and appreciate so much.

the gift that they were laying in my pathway and it hurt like hell as a human because my overall well-being and well value and worth had just taint over that 10 months of psychological abuse of literally someone telling me every day you're not good enough. And it actually connected back to my childhood trauma of domestic violence and that kind of thing. it was like I was being shown

40 years of my beautiful, perfect, exquisite pattern that I was meant to break free from to expand my soul. That's why I came here. And I say all this now with ease. Y'all, it wasn't easy. No. And every moment of my human self fought this with every vigor that I had with gusto. And then I visited Salem, Massachusetts in October of that year.

So I was really excited to go to Salem. was like, I was always obsessed with like the stuff we didn't know a lot about, the unknown, the mysterious, the paranormal, the whatever. And I'm like, my childhood best friend and I were like, let's go to Salem. That feel, we feel called? Sure. So we went there and I had a reading for the first time ever in my life. And as the person sat down with me, the reader, he was like, you could read me. I was like, I don't know what that means.

Amy  (05:57.646)
He was like, you will. So I shared all of it. I was like, okay. Because I was still in corporate when I went to Salem. But when I, the moment I got back, was like that one last straw moment paired with my beautiful experience in Salem that led me to say today's my last day. I don't recommend anybody do that. Pulling the safety net completely out from under you. But, and it happened divinely for me. That was the way I was meant to do it.

I don't know that I would have ever explored out here otherwise. So it had to be that hard. It had to be that swift. And I had to kind of all of myself, kind of like all my shit together to figure out like, what is this? And I almost jumped right back in the corporate pool the next week. And my loving husband said, hey, did you leave for a reason without... And I was like, without any notice and without any severance or without any package, I just walked out.

gave me, started, you know, I hired a coach, I hired a spiritual guide, I went to therapy. I was like, let me go hard on this. And 23 y'all, the hardest year of my life, because everything from 40 years was coming up to the surface. It hurt. So when you ask how I got into my business, it certainly wasn't a direct line, not that it is for anybody. But

I started feeling into first and foremost, I was like, well, what did feel good about corporate? It was coaching the hundreds of women when I was in the ERG. So was like, let me go out and get a certification for life coaching. That feels good. And then because I'd done marketing for so long, I immediately started consulting for marketing as well. Because that's just stuff that was easy to me. So I did that for a while. That was part of Unlock the Magic. And then my...

first six months after my business launched, my guides paused me again because they're like, hey, what you doing? Meaning, do you want to keep doing marketing? Does that feel good to you? Right. What is your coaching modality? What are you grounding in? And do you remember that you're clair-sensitive and clair-cognizant? What are you going to do with that?

Amy  (08:14.518)
a spark like another panic inducing, but that beautiful pause of six months was for me to not just stamp, keep stamping out a certification or like things to do. It's like, no, go deeper. was like, was my, that was the invitation to go deeper. So long story, but that's when you ask how, that's how Unlock the Magic was birthed and was, I'm a healer and a warrior.

And that's also how women making moves came to be because my healer was starting to feel really good, but my warrior was like, hey, can we get some airtime? I was like, oh, right. Yep. Let's, let's do that. And that's where women make moves, which you are coming out on an episode soon of on my podcast where we get be a lot of bashed goddesses and we get to share anything that's on our hearts, bowl or womb. Uh, and it gets a little spicy sometimes, which is fun.

Yeah, that calling and listening to it has not yet been a bad choice, right?

It did not have been a bad choice. No, never. Not bad. Easy. No. Not bad though.

Yeah, it's interesting. When I was pulling cards for myself this morning, I asked a specific question. I've been asking specific questions lately and everything that came up was reminding me of the struggle or the friction or the suffering and how that actually, not only is that part of the cycle of life and part of being a human and the full spectrum of humanity, but it's also fuels

Megan  (09:49.71)
spellwork and, you know, if you can transmute it into something positive so it's not, you know, ruining your nervous system, then it's actually basically power. It's just being able to allow it to move through in a way that is helpful, functional, on your forward trajectory and not stagnant, fear-inducing, stopping, blocking, etc.

when you're starting to remember who you are on the soul plane, even that is too ethereal or too esoteric for some people. Listen, when you start to become aware of your thoughts and your words and you're like, wait, is that true? What I think about myself? Is that true? What I think about the world? Is that true when I just said out loud about myself? When you start to gain awareness around that, that's actually the thread to pull because you're like, cool.

How cool is it that I could and I can think differently or say differently? Because it's not true that I'm a dork. I'm actually perfect and amazing and magical. It's just something like that. So that's where I of start with clients a lot of times is when they'll say something, I'm like, well, is that true? And who said? And can you prove it in the court of law?

You're like, well, my ex-boyfriend can.

Be like, who is he? Uh-uh. Goodbye.

Megan  (11:19.662)
Yeah, I love it. Okay, let's see what wants to come up for Pentecost. So yeah, that idea of blocking yourself from experiencing the full magic of being alive. And so with Pentecost, we are focusing on the earth, but also our bodies and the magic of the everyday, right? We also

obviously think about pentacles in terms of career and in terms of money. I like to think of pentacles in terms of the exchange, the reciprocity of energy and so resources out, resources in, both as tokens of exchange but also in community. And so I'm a big fan of the idea of what you put out comes back to you. doesn't

just doesn't always look exactly as you expected it to. But we have to be open to be able to see what's there. And with the four pentacles, we're often closing ourselves off from our center points that allow energy to flow in and through. So if we're looking at a lens of like Reiki, for example, that would be coming into the top of your head and warming up in your heart center and then

sometimes pushing or allowing to flow through the bottoms of your feet to release like stuck stuff. And so if you're, you know, blocking off these points with money worry or hoarding or not trusting, then it doesn't allow you to feel that flow or to experience that human magic that comes from recognizing all of the, you know,

cool stuff that's around us at any given point. So I know that Amy reads as well. you want to give a take on this?

Amy  (13:17.358)
Yeah, it's something similar, but of course. So this card really speaks to me from a chakra point of view. Because I know, and this is a lot of what I teach, is when we are able to identify when or how our chakras are open and balanced from crown and the card shows crown, heart, and feet.

That symbolizes, I mean, this card when you flipped it, when you have, the flow of energy is meant to be infinite and up, down, around, always, always moving. And you know that it's when that's in flow, that's exactly when you're able to move anything and bring it all in. And specifically for me, this card, as I met with my accountant this morning.

I have a big offer coming up and there was this moment where I said, well, if I pack that program, I was like, oh, I'm gonna say a win. So there is some stickiness there. And that's what for me, this card is pulled for me today is that there's some stickiness around what's coming in as like an expectation around that. So my work to do is to feel into not a what if, it doesn't fill up. It's even if it doesn't fill up, I'm fine.

That's my invitation by that card specific.

I love that. I love that because sometimes I find with manifesting, don't always, I don't want to say agree, but I don't always practice in the same way. And there's so many different ways of doing it. But I find that those very strict and complete, you know, like the sentences that don't even allow for any ambiguity, I don't actually...

Megan  (15:13.518)
love that because A, the universe works in strange and mysterious ways that we cannot know. just literally. Well, exactly.

No.

The how and when is none of our business.

Right. Exactly. And we don't know what's happening behind the scenes. So this thing that we really want to happen, that we're determined to happen, that we say, this happens, doesn't happen. And we go, I've failed, therefore I can't manifest, therefore XYZ. And the universe is like, no, wait, I'm actually trying to bring you something different or better that you just didn't know about. But OK, I guess now we're going to start a few rungs of the ladder down.

And so, yeah, and you're right, the language that we use is so important and we can catch ourselves saying certain words that do become fixed instead of, you know, growth, open, allow. What's the word I'm into recently? Words are not my strong suit at this point in the day. Unfortunately, I start to lose them. But the release, the trust, the surrender.

Megan  (16:24.224)
Surrender was the word I've been really allowing and enjoying. It's funny because you were talking about executive presence. And recently you posted something on LinkedIn that made me realize that we were kindred spirits. You said, executive presence is grooming just like any abuse. You must change who you are to not only gain safety, but advantages based on the executive's preferences. And so as somebody who

was an executive presence coach at a university. And of course, I did not do things the way that they were normally done. that had its, I also just became so disinterested in the idea in general, and it felt so icky. when you wrote that, I really responded to it not just as a like, yes, I love this take, which I think I said, but also

the reason why I ultimately needed to leave that environment, the reason why I couldn't be in that environment any longer, because it was all these folks that wanted to have this, what they considered an executive presence, which was basically like a mask. And so tell me more about this. What made you write that? Like, because obviously it hit something for you, right?

my 40-year-old wound, that you're never good enough on your own, you must have an external piece or validation to, that's what it struck for me, this idea that I'm not good enough solely on my own and that, no thank you, unsubscribe. And that's interesting. I actually got a lot of interesting feedback on that and that folks were really put off by my take.

I didn't go back and look. that's interesting.

Amy  (18:20.308)
and my DMMs as well. I was like, cool. OK. So I love a good discourse. I love a good, respectful dialogue. And so, yes, I was coming from a place of my lived experience wounds. But I was bringing up a parallel that I was seeing that's actually extremely dangerous in the workplace, which is be less of you.

so that this other person is happy. That's what I mean by grooming. And actually, in my Fortune 200, people would actually use that term. They're being groomed for the next level. That was a term they always used. And after a while, I'm like, oh, why does that feel, grooming me? Oh, group. What do I need groom? So it struck a chord, but I wasn't coming from a place in that particular comment from a wounded place. It was coming from a place of drawing a parallel.

and seeing if it landed with anyone and it did a lot more, it landed much more with people that are like, holy shit, what? I'm being groomed? Yeah, it depends on how you're being given the feedback or the opinion about the executive presence or the executive. If the feedback is something like, hey, people aren't really understanding your message because you talk fast, you get to decide whether that is fair. if your ultimate goal is for people to understand what you're saying, okay.

Maybe that's valid feedback. Maybe that's not the grooming piece. The grooming piece comes in and is what I experienced. Don't wear your hair curly. That's not professional. Straighten it. Always be sure to wear heels because it makes you look more professional. Again, according to whom. Well, so-and-so executive would prefer if you talked in bullets and not other. That one could be on the fence, meaning like, what if we were to tell someone,

Use your unique brilliance and your personal style that makes you feel the best. Isn't it true that if you did that, rather than conforming yourself to those bullets that that executive wants, isn't it true that you might come off as the expert, the most authority, has the most authority in the room, and you feel like your body posture changes because you are speaking and presenting in your own unique voice? That's what I'm talking about when it starts to get into that grooming.

Amy  (20:46.198)
You're being asked to be taken outside of yourself. And isn't it true that we've all been in that position where we're presenting on something like a deck that's been torn to shreds and we don't even know what our theme is anymore because the message has been lost. Our unique idea, that comment was asking people to recognize that the moment you either mark up a deck that someone spent a lot of time on or you ask them to present in a way that's not their unique style, you're grooming them.

to become farther from themselves.

you

Megan  (21:22.414)
Yeah, the thing is, if you asked the person that, they would say, no, of course not. And yet, the grooming is actually this control in this environment that is constantly looking to one up, to get ahead, to like, it's not personal, it's just business. All of these like awful.

things that I don't even know if I could step foot in a corporate environment again as an employee. mean, I certainly do. I do workshops, but as an employee, it would have to be... I can't even imagine the situation because it is so uncomfortable to be there once you have been allowed to be your full self. So this is what I say about...

owning your own business. So many folks right now, and you've probably noticed this as well, really struggle because of what's happening in the world. And it's so hard to show up and talk about this stuff when there's people who are desperate and suffering and have been for many years in all kinds of different places. Sometimes it can feel so silly or even just what's happening in America right now. And then I like to say, owning your business is an act of rebellion.

against the way that things normally happen. like, don't even talk about when you start adding witchy tools and magic, like that's just, that is the biggest middle finger. And there, there is that sense at that point of doing things in a way that feels so right to you, right? Where you have allowed yourself to

untangle from all of the enculturation, from all of the grooming, from all of the rules, from all of the control, from all of the ideals that were never yours to begin with. And you're like, I actually really like doing it this way. So if I'm going to offer tarot readings and do, you know, executive corporate workshops for public speaking, I'm going to do that because I actually can. And so once you get into that,

Megan  (23:36.682)
space where you get to actually be yourself and make decisions from this inner intuitive, I like to call it, like I run my business on vibes, but they're very, very, they're vibes that are full of wisdom and experience. And once you know what that is like, and it's

entirely possible. You may have to, for whatever reason, go back into another environment. Absolutely. Like I'm not saying like, never do it because there's so many reasons why somebody might need to do that. Health insurance, partner dies and they need to support the whole family. There's so many reasons. However, it will probably feel a lot different if you have to do it, but the being the

fullness of yourself that you bring to that environment is going to clash against anybody who is trying to manipulate or control you, whether they're aware of it not. so learning who you are through being a business owner is, in my opinion, one of the absolute most rebellious things you can do against status quo, against what we see happening and crumbling all around us right now.

Yeah, and I have kind of like a something that I've been saying a lot is that this particular space and time, what the ask energetically is, is to be so, you can be so acutely aware without overwhelm of the worldly unfolding that are harmful and get so, so clear and deep on what you actually want, like you as an individual. And it's not.

necessarily like wanting an ice cream cone, right? what is it, what would your ideal scenario look like every single day, all day, starting there? You can create your own okayness every single day or your own safety and peace by any degree while being aware and compassionate toward what's happening in the world. And the actual harder part is holding

Amy  (25:52.256)
that vibration of your own personal okayness and peace because right now my thought, my belief is that it's more of an energetic ask. Like what we reverberate out into the world through our podcasting, through our work is actually what's creating the new. And so the how quote unquote of getting through this really wild time, kind like we did in pandemic is the how.

is to start with yourself first, like choose yourself first. What does it look like for you to be okay in this moment and create more of the okay moments so that they build upon each other? That's actually quote unquote how you are helping to create the existence that we all deserve.

Yeah, without getting too far into the weeds on this stuff. I mean, I think there is a place for deep compassion and help, right? As well as nervous system regulation work in all many different forms so that you're not continuing putting

back out your own frenetic energy that is having a hard time managing the news that's coming to you, which is all of us at any given point. We're all impacted. And there's lots of action you can take to help other folks, as well as that action supports your ability to not feel like you are completely without recourse.

Yeah, the ask is not to like to bypass or to go deep into the cosmos and just ignore everything that's happening on the earth. It's like some days when I and my advice is to always just feel through what's coming up for you. There are days where I'm like, all right, I'm to put myself to bed and that's where I'm going to stay the rest of the day. And I trust that my sisters out there have can like hold the line in my absence because I'm I need a day to crumble. Great.

Amy  (27:52.972)
do that, but just be mindful of how do you want to stay crumbled or do you want to move in any way, or form. And that's going to look different for everybody every single day. It's going to be so different and just allow for that. Don't allow any person, place or thing to make you feel bad about your own personal process in this space and time where we're in the upside down.

And like none of us have trained for this, right? So just allow for it. And, and, you know, I say this as a privileged white woman that has an established home, you know, like I can create my okayness in a different way than someone else, but I'm not, I believe that regardless of your circumstances, you can create an okayness on some degree. I believe that because that's what I put out. That's the energy I'm putting out into the world so that.

anybody can find that degree of okayness. That's the lighthouse that I am.

Yeah, I would say for me, I agree that I can find an okayness. And I also know that there's just so many different levels that I have not been tested with, I guess, is one of the ways of saying it. So I know that I can, and I am certainly happy to share that. yeah, there's just there's so many different experiences that I've never had to face. And so

My, I'll give it, just so that I'm not speaking only from like the privileged side, I'll give an example of something that's happening in real time. A friend was killed last week, murdered. thank you. And on those days, I would tell you that my okayness or the family, there is no okayness right now. But for instance, receiving,

Megan  (29:34.518)
I'm sorry.

Amy  (29:47.442)
supportive text message from friends was giving my friend a smile or like a slight reprieve. That was like this small tiniest dose of okay that they had. So in this like in a time that the world is upside down and this horrid tragic event unfolded, they found one moment of okay.

Yeah, that is super difficult.

So that's all I'm suggesting is that more than one thing can be true at once. You can feel such deep ache and torture within you. And there still might be a glimmer of light around you if you, and you might not want to see it. That's fine too. Follow your own process. there, just try to find that moment of okayness. Even if it's getting a drink of water, touching grass, petting a dog.

I don't know, is it? What could it be?

I actually think that if we could all just pet dogs generally, for the most part, things would be a lot different.

Amy  (30:55.374)
I saw one article, I think it was in Sweden, that either foster kids or orphan kids and people in retirement homes were paired together and they also brought in dogs from a shelter. So was like this trifecta, beautiful healing and love. They're finding like exquisite results from that.

I don't doubt it at all. that's the co- when you can heal alongside somebody in the fullness of whatever is going on for you, right? Like I often find that if you are in a position where you are in a difficult period, but you can help somebody while you're in that difficult period, that for me is often that like glimmer that helps

come out of it. this, I can imagine this like scenario of older folks and kids who've been through a lot and dogs that basically just only exude love for the most part. I mean, they're just, they're like, I've said this so many times, but if there's angels, they are angels. Like they are just this purity that is something to behold. Yeah, like maybe that's...

And there's lots of dogs. My friend is doing a mountain hike right now. And basically every other picture is another dog that she has encountered on the way. And I'm like, that sounds pretty much like heaven to me. So with this in mind, what kind of tools are you using these days to navigate this turbulence?

My dogs.

Megan  (32:34.382)
My dog is like, yeah.

and they are the absolute light of my life. My solar plexus is the place within my own energy where I always check in to, it's like a barometer for my okayness. And if my solar plexus is feeling some type of way, I will often do what I call going inward. And it's simply putting on a weighted eye mask and going inside my energy and almost, imagine getting a massage on your chakras.

Like not physical, like imagine an energetic massage on your chakra energy centers. And that's what I quote unquote do. That's one tool is I go inward is what I call it. I'll say like, I'm going in. Everybody knows not to bother me. I will go to one of my favorite spots and get cozy. These sound pretty simple.

you

Amy  (33:31.042)
This is how I do it. This is how I creep my okayness because my ideal state is cozy. So I'm going to grab a blanket. I'm going to grab some socks. I'm going to grab a pillow and I'm going to go get cozy somewhere that I can just exist for a minute. That's how I creep my okayness. Probably my dogs are in tow somewhere. And that's what I'm trying to share. How easy it can be to create your okayness. If you don't have a home, what's your favorite spot to go to? Is there any spot in your lived experience in your physical world that gives you peace? Go there.

and just spend a minute if you can. That's what I mean. It's not about finding a luxurious for me anyway, anymore. Like it's not like a luxurious kind of consumerist thing. It's actually finding the place in me that can start to provide comfort for my nervous system, for my brain, for my heart. That's what it's about.

That's the how. That's what I own when I say create your okayness.

Yeah. And I will say there's nothing as desirable as a nervous system that is not activated. And I say that from somebody who, you know, had an active, activated nervous system for the majority of my life and even in the last, I did everything I could think of to help. And it's only been the last few years with somatic work, with

taking a Reiki course with therapy, with getting an ADHD diagnosis and taking medication for that. Like all of these things have given me a glimpse of what it feels like when you have the actual, and this is someone who's, I've been teaching breath work for over a decade and breath work would work a little bit, but like it's finding the things that work because I had the experience of having some incredibly luxurious

Megan  (35:30.1)
vacations that I did not pay for over the last few years. And what was astonishing to me was this is what we all hope for. This is what all the influencers that we follow show us that we want. And we do. We yearn for that. And you get there. I'm not saying, listen, like I had fun, but that wasn't it.

I the same whenever I go on a vacation, which is rare and the vacations for me look like going up to a cabin in the woods somewhere. Even when I go there, my nervous system isn't regulated because I'm missing my dogs or I'm wondering if they're okay, what they're doing. There's something or I miss something very specific about my personal space that I don't have in that other place. it's actually not as...

it's not comforting or like stabilizing as I would have thought.

Yeah. And isn't that actually the biggest surprise of all? That the place you want to be is actually your own home.

or myself. Like I create about my body and that's again, I keep trying to go back to it's not about what you have or don't have in life about creating your okayness. When I say that I'm asking you to create an okayness in your own body without any external what have you. So in that case, I feel like anybody in the world or circumstance could do it if they can find that okayness within themselves.

Megan  (36:35.318)
Your body, yeah.

Megan  (37:00.611)
It just keeps continuing this conversation about what we really need and what we don't really need.

Yeah, what do you actually need? Like what's a new-

Right. Yeah. mean, and again, this again, like, we also can't deny the systems that we're living in right now. Right. And we do have, there are certain things that we have to anyways, I'm going to get way in the weeds on this, but yeah, but, but ultimately we do have, we probably have more power than we think we have, I think is, ultimately what the, what, what we're getting to and how to find that and how to cultivate it and

I know, it's a goal.

Megan  (37:38.934)
And what a gift that can be is bigger than anything, really. Anything that you might think that you wanted. As we're wrapping up here, for folks who are wanting to find an anchor in spirituality or different tools, what would you suggest is the best place to start?

Amy
Book a chakra reading with me. That's You need anything outside of yourself, but and. Me three years ago, I didn't know how to understand my own chakras. So it helps to have someone guide you through that first time to understand what might be happening in your field so that you can start to take notice and build your own awareness. My whole goal when someone comes to me for my services is that I'm teaching you to do it on your own. You're not going to need me like.

ever again. But start with a chakra reading or something that feels interesting to you. Maybe it's a tarot card pull from Megan. What is interesting to you that we've talked about for you to dip your toe in and see, how do we start to understand more about this more? I would invite you to do that.

have lots of, I'll have all of Amy's stuff in the show notes for sure. Listen, this is the second time in a week that I've had a chance to talk to you and thank you very much for the conversations. Thank you for your time here and for just sharing your unique story, but also just, you know, living what you are proclaiming. Right? We need those examples.

to know that it can actually be possible for us because once you see somebody else living in this power that they have as they have, you know, taken away all the other stuff that doesn't mean anything that you believe that you have to care about, that you realize you don't, it is empowering to know that that is possible for all of us in our own unique and individual ways.

Megan  (39:45.742)
because that is actually what contributes to the collective unconscious, to our communities, our unique gifts, showing up with that and having the ability to cultivate them. It is the shit.

And I'll tell you one more thing for those of you out there They're like well, I love my corporate job and I love my lifestyle and I love my things. I love my stuff Okay, absolutely I'm gonna tell you one of the scariest moments that I had was in Salem when as part of that reading the person told me that everything's about to change And I was like, are you talking about? I finally I kind of like quote-unquote. I finally have the job the money the title the home

What are you talking about? Everything's about to change and I'm playing small. What the actual fuck are you talking about? So I didn't like it. I didn't like it. I didn't like it. now, and like I said, 23 was the hardest year because a lot of that was starting to unravel as I was starting to see through my ice cream cone want and my peaceful heart want.

Okay.

I was trying to see through that and I was like, it does, y'all, it might not feel good. But I can see you on the other side and there is no other side. There's no funnality. There's no, but when you move through like the first big hump, you're like, isn't it true that I can do anything? Yes. And isn't it true that I can feel amazing and these other things I can start to release? Also, yes.

Megan  (41:15.99)
Yeah, yeah, it is the magic of being a human. Thank you so much, Amy. You can find all the information and takeaways from today's episode in the show notes or at embracing enchantment.com. Subscribe and follow wherever you get your podcasts. Leave a review or a voice note. You can find out more about Amy and where to follow her in the show notes or at embracing enchantment.com. Make sure you're subscribed because we have him.

Amy
Thanks Megan.

Megan  (41:44.79)
exciting episodes coming up and we have so many incredible previous episodes as well including Pam Grossman and an episode on witch stones. Until then, here's to building an enchanted life.